2009 TSUN News (football only discussion)

[zwem]

Solid breakdown, zwem. I can see them winning 5-6 games, maybe 7 if their edge in overall talent actually translates over lower big ten teams. Obviously it could be worse with the QB situation, especially if injury strikes (even as simple as being nicked up while still playing), but the schedule is pretty easy next season.

What I don't understand are the fans who feel 6-6 or 7-5 will be a good season. I understand fans being patient with RR. Between loyalty, personnel & what happens if he fails, I get that they'll give him time. But I don't understand praising the mediocrity until it gets turned around.

This is Michigan. For as much as we like to rag on them, they've recruited well enough to field a solid defense, and even at their lowest point they still dwarf Iowa, Purdue, MSU & Wisconsin in talent.

I wouldn't say we are happy or praise a 6-6 season. It would be a good season based on the players, a true freshman starting qb, rebuilding most of the defense , and playing a lot of young players. I'm a patient person and if RR doesn't turn this around in 2-3 years then I say show him the door. He needs to start winning "at least" 9-10 games a season, beating OSU, and win a BCS bowl game. Michigan hasn't won a BCS bowl game since Brady was the qb for Michigan. That is unacceptable.

 

[ginn421]

I think games where you could chalk up loses are Notre Dame, Michigan State, Iowa, Penn State, Ill, Purdue, Wisconsin, and OSU.

Do UM die-hards realize that this is most likely an accurate statement at Michigan?! No Div. I coach worth anything should turn a school with so much tradition & talent (even if that talent is down relative to past years) into this much of a laughing stock in only two years! That's the worst part IMO.

They really screwed themselves with RR...he will be gone in 2-3 yrs tops and they will have to re-tool all over again.

 

[Jerry Seinfeld]

I wouldn't say we are happy or praise a 6-6 season. It would be a good season based on the players, a true freshman starting qb, rebuilding most of the defense , and playing a lot of young players. I'm a patient person and if RR doesn't turn this around in 2-3 years then I say show him the door. He needs to start winning "at least" 9-10 games a season, beating OSU, and win a BCS bowl game. Michigan hasn't won a BCS bowl game since Brady was the qb for Michigan. That is unacceptable.

Like I say below, this was more directed at those elsewhere who seem to be 'content' with that set of results. IMO, if they don't beat any of ND, PSU, MSU or OSU, nothing short of 8 wins would be tolerable if I were a UM fan.

The other three might have good talent, but MSU still is dwarfed in overall talent. They were last year as well, even with Ringer. However their fundamentals and mentality help them compensate a bit. Unless Forcier turns it over 3+ times - MSU should not be able to handle the athletes that UM has, yet I think we all expect them to do just that.

MSU has:

QB - ??? Cousins looked good in spot duty, but is very green. Nichol is a completely unknown top-10 HS QB coming off a transfer.
RB - ??? Losing their heart and soul in Ringer
WRs Dell, Cunn., Martin - athletic drop-riddled bunch
WR Blair White - tough, possession WR
OL - losing top 2 OL?
DE - losing 3 of 4.
LB Greg Jones - hard-nosed, undersized MLB
CB - a pair of solid, experienced dbs. Good for MSU, not particularly stellar in general.
S - losing 2 safeties.

I'm just trying to be real here. Anybody with any common sense would know Michigan is going to struggle this year. I really hope they prove me wrong and they could win 7-8 games and go to a bowl game but I'm just not seeing it. I will be the first to admit I was wrong if they do that and would have no problem owning up to it. I would love to see it happen. I love Michigan football and have ever since I was a little kid. I will stick by them if they go 0-12 or 12-0. I'm a realistic person and I'm not going to pretend this team is going 9-3 and going to light up the big ten. So I get bashed because I think Michigan will win 4 games this year. I would probably get bashed if I predict Michigan will win 7 games. Kind of funny if you ask me.

I can't speak for 86, but my previous comments weren't directed at you but rather a number of posters from other sites. You've been a quality contributor on this site. Now if we can just get you to officially become a buckeye like three7

 

[zwem]

Do UM die-hards realize that this is most likely an accurate statement at Michigan?! No Div. I coach worth anything should turn a school with so much tradition & talent (even if that talent is down relative to past years) into this much of a laughing stock in only two years! That's the worst part IMO.

They really screwed themselves with RR...he will be gone in 2-3 yrs tops and they will have to re-tool all over again.

Michigan was the laughing stock of college football even before RR arrived in Ann Arbor. There was that little game against App State. Maybe will be gone or maybe he will turn it around. I agree though, he has 2-3 years to compete for big ten titles and going to to BCS games.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Michigan was the laughing stock of college football even before RR arrived in Ann Arbor. There was that little game against App State. Maybe will be gone or maybe he will turn it around. I agree though, he has 2-3 years to starting competing for big ten titles and going to to BCS games.

Very well could be looking at sub .500 again this year with another OOC black eye from WMU. I'll be interested to see how much rope RR has left if that happens (and I think it will).

 

[Jerry Seinfeld]

Sheridan and Cone Break Bones | mgoblog

Sheridan and Cone Break Bones
News out of spring practice is that Sheridan broke his leg and that Cone has a broken hand. Not entirely confirmed yet, but from a very good source.

Cone's injury will only
Cone's injury will only effect his ability to give hand signals from the sideline but Sheridan's is a concern for depth purposes. My biggest concern about the success of our spread offense is the amount of hits the QBs take. We need 4 good QBs on the roster because there is a higher risk of injury. Since Tate looks about 170 soaking wet I'm not confident he will make it through a season without missing some time due to an injury brought on by an opposing linebacker.

While it's far from predictable (and therefore debatable) that his lower weight means a higher risk of injury, I think it does, based on physics and also based on this: if greater mass wasn't desirable in his case, why do RR and Barwis want him to gain weight?

All of us have expressed distress over Sheridan's presence on the field over the course of the year. And some of us have even wished physical harm on the kid.

Well, you've got your wish. We'll see how his absence will help the team now...

that's definitely not part of his wrist injury.

...Barnum left practice on crutches.

Barnum is injured
it's not a rumor. He has a wrist injury he's practicing through but most likely will have surgery after spring ball.

Is it too late
to rescind Threet's transfer request?

Indeed. I should be doing something else right now.

We just had like a 500-post conversation about how you think I should chill out.

We're lame.

Chill out, Magnus.

Of all the possible comments on this board, my sarcastic response (whether his was sarcastic or serious) is not one you should latch onto and say "chill out.

You obviously thought that comment was sincere based on your reaction and now that you re-read it with a cool head you have realized that it was sarcasm. Maybe you could try that re-reading with a cooler head tactic with all comments? Then I wouldn't have any reason to tell you to chill out.

Okay, so let's assume you're right that the first comment was sarcasm.

I responded with sarcasm.

So what's there to chill about? I'm not worked up. I didn't call him names.

YOU NEED TO CHILL, YOU *$#^!^$^%#&%*$*#Q%OYROYRYR%^%#&%)^%^%#)Q%)Q!!!!!

Again, chill. Also I am pretty sure the first comment was sarcasm. So once more, chill. No need to get all crazy.

You're right. Absurd comments shouldn't be rebuked.

You gots to chill, yo.

Because players NEVER break bones when making cuts and nobody EVER trips accidentally and rolls on someone's leg and nobody EVER gets overzealous and hits the QB anyway.

Yep. He must have slipped on some ice. That's the only explanation.

must have been injured in an off the field incident because you cant hit the QB in practice

To paraphrase David St. Hubbins...
The path is TOO fucking wide open!

All the breaks (pun intended) have gone in Tate's favor. It happened in his recruitment as he saw the Newsome decommit giving him the opening to verbal. And then with the decommit of Beaver. He grads early and comes in to get experience and now this. The path is wide open for him. I think he relishes this.

Doesn't the red jersey mean anything anymore? FML.

It's a fucking plague.

Let's just cover Tate in bubble wrap right now.

Son of a Bee Sting!!!!!

david cone...fine
nick sheridan...hurts a bit
furrha as #2...ouch

It would be a relief to you?
So, you'd rather have David Cone, Justin Feagin, the unseen Denard Robinson, or Zoltan, all of whom are WORSE QB's THAN Sheridan, backing up Forcier? Really?

I wonder how bad Sheridan's leg is, if it's really broken.

Maybe he'll turn into a coach like Papa Sheridan to end up where he belongs.

I'm not trying to sound real insensitive or uncaring, I'm sure he's a nice guy. I'm not going to lie though, it would be a relief to me if he was incapable of taking the field. I think Zoltan would make a better Michigan QB. He probably at least has a higher YPC than Sheridan, even if he can't throw.

 

[TheIronColonel]

No worries. RR will sick Barwis on those two and they'll be in playing shape by Friday. BARWIS!!!1

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

I'm just trying to be real here. Anybody with any common sense would know Michigan is going to struggle this year. I really hope they prove me wrong and they could win 7-8 games and go to a bowl game but I'm just not seeing it. I will be the first to admit I was wrong if they do that and would have no problem owning up to it. I would love to see it happen. I love Michigan football and have ever since I was a little kid. I will stick by them if they go 0-12 or 12-0. I'm a realistic person and I'm not going to pretend this team is going 9-3 and going to light up the big ten. So I get bashed because I think Michigan will win 4 games this year. I would probably get bashed if I predict Michigan will win 7 games. Kind of funny if you ask me.

I don't think 86's comment was directed at you. You aren't talking shit and predicting an upset of OSU only to come back later and say "Eh, what did you expect? We suck." Your ability to ackowledge the weakness on the team is refreshing. :)

 

[Buckeye86]

So I get bashed because I think Michigan will win 4 games this year. I would probably get bashed if I predict Michigan will win 7 games. Kind of funny if you ask me.

I wasn't bashing you, just pointing out how the mighty have fallen

while you may be a reasonable person, there will be many a "michigan man" who will talk all of the smack in the world leading up to the game (spread offense!! Barwis!!1! ect. ect.) and upon losing again will fall back on "well we weren't that good anyways, I fully expected to lose" BS that the likes of Illinois and Michigan State fans resort to

 

[BB73]

Sheridan and Cone Break Bones | mgoblog

It's a fucking plague.

Let's just cover Tate in bubble wrap right now.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0qm0KUPeD8"]YouTube - That's gold, Jerry! Gold![/ame]

 

[NFBuck]

I wasn't bashing you, just pointing out how the mighty have fallen

while you may be a reasonable person, there will be many a "michigan man" who will talk all of the smack in the world leading up to the game (spread offense!! Barwis!!1! ect. ect.) and upon losing again will fall back on "well we weren't that good anyways, I fully expected to lose" BS that the likes of Illinois and Michigan State fans resort to

Go back to last summer. There were a couple in this very thread...

 

[jlb1705]

Well, they had BIG Tex.

Is this. Li'l Cal?

MicroCal?

Microsoft?

They really screwed themselves with RR...he will be gone in 2-3 yrs tops and they will have to re-tool all over again.

Double entendre. Nice.

 

[NFBuck]

Offers up to 90 according to the Beav (apparently offered two more ATHs yesterday).

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=162&f=1088&t=4132406

From the $$board. Basically a complete rehash of their thoughts going into last year. Many saying the offense will surprise, the defense will be dominant, blah, blah, blah...

 

[Jerry Seinfeld]

Thanks Mel Kiper, I just choked on my granola | mgoblog

Thanks Mel Kiper, I just choked on my granola

"Tight end Carson Butler, who played at defensive end toward the end of last season, his junior year, will be appealing to teams because of his blocking ability and probably will go in the later rounds."

"Butler is going to block and get the job done there," Kiper said. "(Teams want) a guy who can block. You have to secure the edge. These 3-4 teams you're going up against, you have to be able to handle, (and) you handle with a blocking tight end. Carson Butler as a late-round pick for those types of teams would have some value."

U-M, MSU players likely second-day draft picks | detnews.com | The Detroit News...

Carson Butler : Blocking as
A) John Navarre : Elusive
B) Gabe Watson : Nasty
C) Marques Slocum : Valedictorian
D) Justin Boren : Loyal

F) Stevie Brown : Pass Coverage
G) Ernest SHazor : Usain Bolt

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Thanks Mel Kiper, I just choked on my granola | mgoblog

Kiper thinks highly of cornerback Morgan Trent. Trent, a converted receiver who has terrific speed, was a three-year starter on defense for the Wolverines.

"That kid has ability," Kiper said. "In the middle-round area, he's going to get some possible attention."

Yeah, he'll get plenty of attention from opposing OCs, slobbering all over themselves...