2009 TSUN News (football only discussion)

[Sportsbuck28]

Well, it helps to check. I looked at the official OSU roster, counted all the non-senior linemen, and added the number of DL commits, so presumably, the official roster includes walk-ons.

Lawrence Wilson
Thad Gibson
Nate Williams
William Mobley
Doug Worthington
Robert Rose
Dexter Larimore
Cam Heyward
Todd Denlinger
Soloman Thomas
Keith Wells
Garrett Goebel

There's 12 already on the team.

Melvin Fellows
Johnathan Newsome
Adam Bellamy
John Simon

And 16 if you include recruits.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Lawrence Wilson
Thad Gibson
Nate Williams
William Mobley
Doug Worthington
Robert Rose
Dexter Larimore
Cam Heyward
Todd Denlinger
Soloman Thomas
Keith Wells
Garrett Goebel

There's 12 already on the team.

Melvin Fellows
Johnathan Newsome
Adam Bellamy
John Simon

And 16 if you include recruits.

Keep in mind that Wilson needs to apply for and received a medical redshirt in order to play in 2009...and before everyone says it's a foregone conclusion that he'll be approved, you never can count on what the NCAA will do.

 

[WaitingforKickoff]

Despite all the decommitments, RR's put together a hell of a class.

Let's see...

The RBs from this class are average skill-wise and definitely undersized. You get one short QB. The DBs are ok. Got a couple of good linemen, which isn't going to be nearly enough to reload.

Michigan needed a Charlie Wise type of recruiting class this year to form a core group of young players, and they didn't get it. No idea why you are bragging here.

 

[Redhawk]

You get one short QB.

If I'm not mistaken, they also signed a QB out of Florida today. I forget the name, but supposed to be Pat White-ish.

 

[leroyjenkins]

If I'm not mistaken, they also signed a QB out of Florida today. I forget the name, but supposed to be Pat White-ish.

Robinson?

 

[WaitingforKickoff]

If I'm not mistaken, they also signed a QB out of Florida today. I forget the name, but supposed to be Pat White-ish.

That's just snake oil. Robinson is either a WR or a DB. Not unlike Justin Feagin...

 

[Buckeye Nut]

That's just snake oil. Robinson is either a WR or a DB. Not unlike Justin Feagin...

I'm not saying your wrong, but he will get his opportunity at quarterback first. Rod was asked on ESPNU this afternoon what position he would play and he said quarterback.

 

[NFBuck]

Eh, it was a class. Not great, not bad...just a class. Very heavy on skill positions and light in 2/3 areas of need (DL and LB). Forcier (okay, is it 4CA, or For-seer the like the idiots on espn kept saying today?) may well be a good QB for this system, but he's smallish and time will tell if he can avoid getting dinged up. They're drooling over Robinson at QB, but I don't see it. A lot of ping pong balls again. Stokes is a good pickup at WR, but that's window dressing until it's proven somebody can get the ball to their WRs. There was a much needed infusion of talent on the OL, but they're young there.

Defensively, the loss of Jones and Graves was big. LaLota looked like he was overrated and may be an OL. A lot of people in the know have said Campbell should be an OL, so who knows there. They remain thin at LB. JT Turner is a nice pickup, maybe the only player in their class I'm really envious of, but they're okay in that position. Safety still needs a lot of help.

I don't know how anybody can call this a top-10 class, but to each his own I guess. IMO, if this same pack of players was heading to WVU or Iowa, they'd be in the 20-25 range.

 

[WaitingforKickoff]

I'm not saying your wrong, but he will get his opportunity at quarterback first. Rod was asked on ESPNU this afternoon what position he would play and he said quarterback.

I'm just saying that Robinson is not going to be an effective QB, no matter who promises him that position. If every 6-1 190 DBs can play major D1 QB then look for South Florida to have the same shot to get into the BCS title as Florida.

 

[NFBuck]

I'm just saying that Robinson is not going to be an effective QB, no matter who promises him that position. If every 6-1 190 DBs can play major D1 QB then look for South Florida to have the same shot to get into the BCS title as Florida.

Pat White. Beat ya to it HTM.

 

[jwinslow]

I don't know how anybody can call this a top-10 class, but to each his own I guess. IMO, if this same pack of players was heading to WVU or Iowa, they'd be in the 20-25 range.

They can tout it as the #7 class overall if they'd like, but with that comes top-7 talent expectations.

Pat White. Beat ya to it HTM.

But they already have their colt mccoy?

 

[HailToMichigan]

Why do you feel RVB is better than I think? I'm not putting him in the same group as most of the DL backups, but I see a weakness there. Campbell shows a lot of the same weaknesses as past UM Dts, and I have a hard time assuming things will be different until we see otherwise.

Then there's the elephant in the room about whether we'll actually see a three man front or whether the 3-3-5 will return. That hurts Martin, imo, and possibly RVB.

Because I think whatever weaknesses RVB has will be covered up by Graham. Brian's UFR's on MGoBlog tend to grade him out on the plus side. But mainly, I just think he's good enough to go one on one. I'm sure he'd get swallowed up by a double team, but he won't see one all year as long as Graham is on the other side.

I don't think you'll see the 3-3-5 as a base defense. Greg Robinson doesn't use it. He's talked mainly about pro sets and not having a particular all-the-time defense, which leads me to believe we'll be in a 4-3 more often than not.

There's 12 already on the team.

I definitely forgot to count the DE's listed. Didn't see them 'cause most of your guys are listed as generic DL's.

That's just snake oil. Robinson is either a WR or a DB. Not unlike Justin Feagin...

...who saw no time at WR or DB this past year. He'll probably move to the slot, but that leaves our QB situation like this: Threet, Forcier, Sheridan, Furrha, Cone. The last three aren't options. Robinson will play QB for at least this year.

Michigan needed a Charlie Wise type of recruiting class this year to form a core group of young players, and they didn't get it. No idea why you are bragging here.

It's a higher-ranked class than Chubby Charlie has ever had, except for last year. In other words if this were Notre Dame's class, it'd be Weis' second-best ever. It has a stud DT, stud DB, two excellent quarterbacks, three excellent O-linemen, and plenty of playmakers. It's the highest-ranked class we've had since 2005. Why shouldn't I be happy about it?

 

[jwinslow]

It's a higher-ranked class than Chubby Charlie has ever had, except for last year. In other words if this were Notre Dame's class, it'd be Weis' second-best ever. It has a stud DT, stud DB, two excellent quarterbacks, three excellent O-linemen, and plenty of playmakers.

Notre Dame:
06 - #2 class, 6 top-100, 3 5-stars, 12 4-stars.
07 - #11 class, 5 top-100, 1 5-star, 11 4-stars.
08 - #2 class, 7 top-100, 4-star, 14 4-star.

Your class has two 5-stars and 2 or 3 top-100 players per (Rivals/Scout). I'm not buying that this class dwarfs anything Charlie has done. Now whether he does better with it is another story.

It's the highest-ranked class we've had since 2005. Why shouldn't I be happy about it?

No one said you shouldn't be happy about it, especially after last season. But calling it one hell of a class is quite a stretch, unless you meant simply for RR.

There are some substantial holes on defense, and once again his recruiting approach paid off on O but suffered on D.

 

[WaitingforKickoff]

...who saw no time at WR or DB this past year. He'll probably move to the slot, but that leaves our QB situation like this: Threet, Forcier, Sheridan, Furrha, Cone. The last three aren't options. Robinson will play QB for at least this year.

You know, just because the lack of depth forces a kid play to take snaps at QB doesn't mean it will turn out well for you guys. Feagin proved that last year.

It's a higher-ranked class than Chubby Charlie has ever had, except for last year. In other words if this were Notre Dame's class, it'd be Weis' second-best ever. It has a stud DT, stud DB, two excellent quarterbacks, three excellent O-linemen, and plenty of playmakers. It's the highest-ranked class we've had since 2005. Why shouldn't I be happy about it?

Scout has you guys ranked at #13 this year. Notre Dame finished #2 last year, #11 in '07 and #5 in '06. Talk to me when Dickrod assembles a top five, or top ten class for that matter.

 

[jwinslow]

Because I think whatever weaknesses RVB has will be covered up by Graham.

If I can run on RVB or handle his pass rush with one guy, then that lets OSU focus on Graham.

I don't think you'll see the 3-3-5 as a base defense. Greg Robinson doesn't use it. He's talked mainly about pro sets and not having a particular all-the-time defense, which leads me to believe we'll be in a 4-3 more often than not.

Well Shafer wasn't a 3-3-5 guy either, and we weren't going to see Steven Threet run like Pat White coming into the season. Likewise, I'd be surprised to not see Forcier handling a large number of carries.

I definitely forgot to count the DE's listed. Didn't see them 'cause most of your guys are listed as generic DL's.

I'd say Nate Williams is as impressive as Mike Martin if not moreso, which leaves you with Graham vs Wilson, Gibson, Worthington & Heyward. Are UM's backups better than Rob Rose? The mere presence of bodies don't change the problem for UM.

...who saw no time at WR or DB this past year.

He was a special teamer who RR said would probably never be a QB. Only after an injury to Threet did that change.

Robinson is a better athlete than Feagin, but he'll have a tough time keeping defenses honest as a freshman.