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2009 tOSU Recruiting Discussion

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Folanator;1096122; said:
Aside from that I like Fellows a bunch and thought his performance against to other under classman all-stars (including Hall) was outstanding. Great speed to the corner. Played low. For my untrained eye, if he isn't #1 he at least belongs in the same conversation. I really like Fellows.
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It's not a knock on Melvin at all. I think he easily belongs in the top 5, and once you get to that level there's not a heck of a lot of difference between the kids.

It just seems that whenever Duane has a one guy that's a bit higher on his board than everyone else's it's always a DE.

Converseley if he's got a flyer that's lower than than the consensus it's usually an OL.

Just a random observation on my part, nothing more.
 
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Muck;1096102; said:
I'm happy to say that of the kids I have seen my opinion of them seems to be roughly in line with where others are rankings them

One thing I find interesting is Duane's ranking of Fellows as #1 in the State.

Is it just me or does it seem like he has a very strong love for Ends? It seems like most years he has a kid at DE bumped up higher than just about anyone else has them.

Anyone else have a similar perception or am I just sweating out Taos' shrooms?
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DE is one of the most important positions on the field, especially if you get a kid that is as dominant as Fellows, thus maybe the reason for the stretch at times to have them higher in the rankings...
 
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Muck;1096135; said:
It's not a knock on Melvin at all. I think he easily belongs in the top 5, and once you get to that level there's not a heck of a lot of difference between the kids.

It just seems that whenever Duane has a one guy that's a bit higher on his board than everyone else's it's always a DE.

Converseley if he's got a flyer that's lower than than the consensus it's usually an OL.

Just a random observation on my part, nothing more.
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I see your point and agree. It is somewhat surprising because he does prefer the O-line wide bodies. When was the last time that a true fast big bodied rush DE came out of Ohio? I cannot think of one off-hand. Wilson maybe? There have been some smaller framed kids that will grow into the position. But Fellows seems to have the size already.
 
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Looking at this class and the guys that are vying for the top spot...

Fellows - Kid is a freak off the edge...Has the prototypical body for the DE spot, and if he could keep his speed with his frame could be a freak off the edge, and there is no reason to believe he won't...

Hall - Very good size, great shuttle time he just posted, but is still raw, Adams is the type of kid that you look for in terms of olineman that is top player in state...Hall is not there...Very good player, but you can see reasons why I would not rank him ahead of Fellows...

Simon - He is the one kid that I have above Fellows in this class...Some have questioned some that he might have maxed out his frame, and if true he is already strong enough to play in college, but I do believe that he will grow some more and be a freak in college, and I see a top 15 player in the nation and top player in the state...

Klein - Very good LB and a freak, but with the guys I have listed above I believe he is on the outside looking in...

Carradine - I see him as a Jevon Kearse type freak...Maybe in the minority on this one putting him as the number 3 player in the state, and might say that I am bias towards DE's as well, but it is these types with 6'4'' 225 frames that we have been solely missing in the past couple years...These are the types of kids that are going high in the draft like Gaines Adams...I will say that DE are tough to project at times, but both Fellows and Carradine seem to play with their hands well, and have the speed off the ball to be great pass rushing DE's, and have the frames to be able to hold weight and still keep their speed...


Either way that is a dominant top 5 and would put that up against any top 5 of any state...I would even throw in Barnett, Fields, and Turner...and say top 8...
 
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I agree about Fellows and Carradine being pure pass-rushing DE's, and both having the perfect size and frame to become dominant in college.

Having dominant DE's can have a huge impact on a team and more specifically a defense, a la NY Giants.

Both Fellows and Carradine are players that I see as "must-gets" for OSU because I don't think we can afford to let two incredible pass-rushing DE's like them go elsewhere (especially Illinois).

We've struggled to get consistent pressure at times and these are the types of guys that we need to get to always be getting that pressure on the quarterback without having to blitz a significant amount.

I'm absolutely loving the class in Ohio in '09.
 
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alpo;1096186; said:
OK, thanks! Sounds like you both see this particular prospect as a TE primarily, then. Correct? Or are you just addressing the number of TE's you think we'll potentially take?
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I think Pratl would be a force at TE. He is a lot like Jake Ballard with his frame and ability to catch the ball. He has great hands and he said himself that blocking is his favortis thing to do.

Some other TEs of note:

New Jersey TE Malcolm Bush
Minnesota TE Ra'Shede Hageman
Texas TE Jordan Najvar (from Klein, TX where Shugarts is from - not same HS)
Massachusetts TE Arthur Fontaine
Illinois TE Jack Baucus
Michigan TE Reid Fragel
Virginia TE Josh Lovell
Indiana TE Edward Hazelett
 
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crazybuckfan40;1096171; said:
...but it is these types with 6'4'' 225 frames that we have been solely missing in the past couple years...
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Do you mean missing as in recruiting or as in on the field? If you're talking about recruiting, I think we have gotten the type of player you mention in Solomon Thomas and Keith Wells.
 
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crazybuckfan40;1096171; said:
Looking at this class and the guys that are vying for the top spot...

Fellows - Kid is a freak off the edge...Has the prototypical body for the DE spot, and if he could keep his speed with his frame could be a freak off the edge, and there is no reason to believe he won't...

Hall - Very good size, great shuttle time he just posted, but is still raw, Adams is the type of kid that you look for in terms of olineman that is top player in state...Hall is not there...Very good player, but you can see reasons why I would not rank him ahead of Fellows...

Simon - He is the one kid that I have above Fellows in this class...Some have questioned some that he might have maxed out his frame, and if true he is already strong enough to play in college, but I do believe that he will grow some more and be a freak in college, and I see a top 15 player in the nation and top player in the state...

Klein - Very good LB and a freak, but with the guys I have listed above I believe he is on the outside looking in...

Carradine - I see him as a Jevon Kearse type freak...Maybe in the minority on this one putting him as the number 3 player in the state, and might say that I am bias towards DE's as well, but it is these types with 6'4'' 225 frames that we have been solely missing in the past couple years...These are the types of kids that are going high in the draft like Gaines Adams...I will say that DE are tough to project at times, but both Fellows and Carradine seem to play with their hands well, and have the speed off the ball to be great pass rushing DE's, and have the frames to be able to hold weight and still keep their speed...


Either way that is a dominant top 5 and would put that up against any top 5 of any state...I would even throw in Barnett, Fields, and Turner...and say top 8...
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That's pretty widespread usage of the word freak.....
 
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I think he should have sub-catagorized by using the terms: semi-freak, freak, total freak and super freak. That way it would be more clear as to the freakishness he is attributing to the various student athletes who "get their freak on" when playing on the gridiron.
 
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Buckeyecty4 said:
Here is my early Top50 list, i am putting out for OnCampus magazine.. Im hesitant to come out with lists this early before camps, but after seeing how bad a big company like Rivals can screw up on Ohio, i figured id give it a rough shot.. I could bore u with the 2-3 sentence breakdown i give on each guy, but i'll spare u guys and just give the list..

1. John Simon (DT)
2. Marcus Hall (OT)
3. Storm Klein (LB)
4. Melvin Fellows (DE/DT)
5. CJ Barnett (CB)
6. Justin Turner (S)
7. Cornelius Carradine (DE)
8. Chris Fields (WR)
9. Bud Golden (RB)
10. Jack Mewhort (OL)
11. Denicos Allen (S/LB)
12. Darrell Mason (ATH)
13. Chris Freeman (OL)
14. Fitzgerald Toussaint (RB)
15. Will Studlien (LB)
16. Perez Ashford (WR)
17. Devontae Payne (QB)
18. Julius Ferrell (LB/DL)
19. Jamie Wood (ATH)
20. Jonathan Newsome (LB/DE)
21. Dale Peterman (CB)
22. Chris Snook (LB)
23. Ricky Harris (DL/OL)
24. Patrick White (ATH)
25. Tyler Scott (LB/DE)
26. Ryan Spiker (OL/DL)
27. Adam Homan (FB/LB)
28. Anthony Talbert (TE/DE)
29. Pat Muldoon (DE)
30. Nate Klatt (OL)
31. Mike Edwards (CB)
32. Nate Cadogen (DL/OL)
33. Jeff Walker (ATH)
34. Adam Bellamy (DL)
35. Dan Fox (LB)
36. Zakee Bashir (LB)
37. Trae Tiller (DE)
38. Denario Gray (WR)
39. Mike Marrow (FB/LB)
40. Alex Jones (OL)
41. Carlos Hilton (DB)
42. Romel Dismuke (CB)
43. Jacob Green (LB/TE)
44. Deejay Hunter (ATH)
45. Jeff Duckworth (WR)
46. Isaiah Bell (DB)
47. Patrick Nicely (QB)
48. Maalik Bomar (LB)
49. Josh Jones (WR)
50. Travis Freeman (DB)
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id be more than interested to be bored with blurbs...
 
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scarletngray;1096240; said:
I think he should have sub-catagorized by using the terms: semi-freak, freak, total freak and super freak. That way it would be more clear as to the freakishness he is attributing to the various student athletes who "get their freak on" when playing on the gridiron.
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This is a guy that fits that mold:

09 NY ATH James Johnson Jr. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75qXUfp4wtw"]YouTube - Rick James - Super Freak[/ame]
Rick James: Biography and Much More from Answers.com

Possible off-field character issues, with drugs, but has plenty of energy. Would fit into the Super freak category that S&G mentioned.
 
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BGriffBuckeye;1096199; said:
I think Pratl would be a force at TE. He is a lot like Jake Ballard with his frame and ability to catch the ball. He has great hands and he said himself that blocking is his favortis thing to do.

Some other TEs of note:

New Jersey TE Malcolm Bush
Minnesota TE Ra'Shede Hageman
Texas TE Jordan Najvar (from Klein HS where Shugarts went)
Massachusetts TE Arthur Fontaine
Illinois TE Jack Baucus
Michigan TE Reid Fragel
Virginia TE Josh Lovell
Indiana TE Edward Hazelett
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This is fun, BGriff. Thank you, buddy! This is tremendous quick-time help! I really appreciate your expert contributions and you servin' me up some much needed Edu-ma-cation!

My questions would be: Who do (YOU) like in this group, and why...and who do you think we actually offer? And once more, was Jake 4.6 speed?

BTW, referencing Najvar, didn't JB go to Klein/Klein and not Klein/Oak?
 
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