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2009 tOSU Offense Discussion

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CalvinistBuck:

Wouldn't it be proper, from your theological standpoint, that the team is "elected" to perform as dictated in each and every consideration? Thus, would Tressel have any impact at all? :tongue2:

Or am I just off my lotus petal? :biggrin:
 
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CalvinistBuck;1548724; said:
"Even with the best of intentions, however, we still must be willing to look at what we could do better." Jim Tressel

I have been a regular reader of BP (and the o-zone.net) for about seven years. I have been reluctant to participate in the forums because my passion for Buckeye football is so intense that I'm fearful that once I start posting, I may not be able to control my urge to be continually engaged. However, I can no longer hold it in and feel compelled to encourage constructive discussion of Coach Tressel's handling of tOSU offense.........
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Excellent post man, thanks for that contribution. I am a huge Tressel fan as most can tell by now; that being said he certainly has room to get better, hell we all do. I think that his biggest weakness is reluctance to change what works, or at least has worked. At some point people make adjustments and the great coaches may find a weak spot. That being said, I think he is the perfect coach for Ohio State. All coaches have problems, the only difference is that guys like Meyer have not been in the national spotlight for long enough for the great coaches to figure them out. Most coaches go through a phase of questioning, the great ones find a way to adapt and overcome.
 
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muffler dragon;1548746; said:
CalvinistBuck:

Wouldn't it be proper, from your theological standpoint, that the team is "elected" to perform as dictated in each and every consideration? Thus, would Tressel have any impact at all? :tongue2:

Or am I just off my lotus petal? :biggrin:
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I appreciate the humor. Let's pray that the Buckeyes have been predestined to beat tsun, win the Big Ten, and win a several nation titles for many, many years.
 
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muffler dragon;1548746; said:
CalvinistBuck:

Wouldn't it be proper, from your theological standpoint, that the team is "elected" to perform as dictated in each and every consideration? Thus, would Tressel have any impact at all? :tongue2:

Or am I just off my lotus petal? :biggrin:
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scarletngray;1548752; said:
That would be TULIP pedal..... :)

Sorry, couldn't resist calvinistbuck....

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No problem. :) I think it's cool that theology and football are completely compatible. Go Bucks!
 
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For people that say that JT refuses to open up the offense, let me ask you...what was going on from about the mid point of 2005 through the 2006 season? Those were dynamic, spread oriented offenses that put up numbers and included some pretty innovative playcalling. Now, before anybody starts saying "it wasn't even one of the top offenses in the country statistically", realize that JT regularly let off the throttle when those games were comfortably at hand...which a large majority of them were. What did JT have from mid-2005 through 2006? Answer: A QB that was a dynamic playmaker that had earned his trust.

Then comes 2007 which brought a pro-style, pocket passer. Naturally the offense is going to shift back to a more conventional, play for field position and limit turnovers style of play. Even with that relative limitation, he guided a team that was considered universally to be in rebuilding mode to the BCSNCG.

Along comes 2008 with essentially the same personnel. The QB, who had shown his limitations as the previous season wore on did not progress and lost his job to a green, athletically gifted, but limited passer. He again reigns in the offense to allow said QB adjust to the college game and limit mistakes. He still takes the team to a BCS game and comes within one bad tackling angle of upsetting arguably the best team in CFB.

Now we have a more experienced, but still developing QB under center. JT still limits the playbook, but, I think we started to see a shift in the offensive philosophy last week. JT is under heavy criticism for his game plan against USC. Did anybody notice how much of the time his playsheet was tucked away in his pocket as opposed to it's normal place in his hands? I think he is now handing over some of the playcalling. This week will tell if that was a "one-off" or if JT is ready to start handing off some of the play calling duties on a more perminant basis and open it up. As TP continues to progress, he will be given more to work with. JT is a very smart man. He let Troy Smith excel, it's foolish to think he won't let TP (a QB with even more physical gifts) do the same when he shows he's ready.

A lot of us have said we see this year setting up very similar to 2005. By the end of 2005, that offense was turning into a well oiled machine. I think by the end of 2009, we'll see an offense consistently putting up 35-40 PPG.
 
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Kenshin;1548776; said:
I have 100% faith in Tressel as a Head Coach. But I'm running on about 10% wrt his Offensive Coordinator skills.
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I have to agree. He's a little too conservative on offense in my opinion.

Take last year for example. You have a good Sr pocket QB and a rising star QB who could also be an impact player in the backfield or as a receiver.

Imagine the possibilities with Todd B as QB and T Pryor as either a slot back or a running back..... Pitch it to Pryor and he can run or pass.

But no... we ran a very conservative offense rather than opening things up.
 
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NFBuck;1548840; said:
For people that say that JT refuses to open up the offense, let me ask you...what was going on from about the mid point of 2005 through the 2006 season?
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So...it takes a Heisman-caliber QB and 2 or 3 first-round draft picks at WR to "open up the playbook"? Regardless, this isn't about opening up the playbook. This is about devising a package on offense that works. What good is it to consistently win the field position battle if you can't score points?

With all due respect, this is a complex argument and Coach Tressel is a smart man. I'm just dreaming about the creativity it might take to make tOSU offense dominant.
 
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CalvinistBuck;1548875; said:
So...it takes a Heisman-caliber QB and 2 or 3 first-round draft picks at WR to "open up the playbook"? Regardless, this isn't about opening up the playbook. This is about devising a package on offense that works. What good is it to consistently win the field position battle if you can't score points?

With all due respect, this is a complex argument and Coach Tressel is a smart man. I'm just dreaming about the creativity it might take to make tOSU offense dominant.
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I don't think it takes all of that...just a QB he can trust and feels confident can handle the load.

As for having a dominant offense, I guess that depends on your definition of "dominant". Will it ever put up Oklahoma or Florida type stats? Nope. Not JT's style. Can it get to the point where it averages 35-40 PPG and wins comfortably? I think so, and soon.
 
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jhurl;1548858; said:
I have to agree. He's a little too conservative on offense in my opinion.

Take last year for example. You have a good Sr pocket QB and a rising star QB who could also be an impact player in the backfield or as a receiver.

Imagine the possibilities with Todd B as QB and T Pryor as either a slot back or a running back..... Pitch it to Pryor and he can run or pass.

But no... we ran a very conservative offense rather than opening things up.
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Maybe this belongs in the TP thread, but I'll address it here, if this poster even returns to read it.

If that were the case, and for all intents and purposes, we'll assume TB actually did have enough time for TP or others to run routes, how far along do you feel TP would be as a passer this season? Do you still feel that we would see TP throwing 20+ times a game this season? What did you see last year when TP was at quarterback? Did you see him throwing more often than running? Would you prefer JT to "open the playbook" for true frosh TP to throw 30+ times a game last season, rather than "open the playbook" to let him run 20+ times like he did last season? What about the offense last season was conservative, besides him throwing >20 times per game? Which actually takes the ball out of his hands, and based on your post, that seems to be the opposite of what you would actually want to see. And why would you want your "rising star QB" to play any other position than QB if he is "rising?" How do you feel him playing RB or WR would develop his passing skills?

I really could go on, but I shouldn't, I would like to hope you could answer some of these questions, but we'll see. Maybe they shouldn't be answered, maybe I shouldn't even have asked. :ohwell:
 
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NFBuck;1548840; said:
For people that say that JT refuses to open up the offense, let me ask you...what was going on from about the mid point of 2005 through the 2006 season? Those were dynamic, spread oriented offenses that put up numbers and included some pretty innovative playcalling. Now, before anybody starts saying "it wasn't even one of the top offenses in the country statistically", .
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At the end of the 2005 season, in the Fiesta Bowl against Notre Dame, the offense produced 617 yards on 64 offensive snaps - 9.64 yards per play.

9.64 yards per play is a record for any team, in any bowl game, all-time.

It's a record that I've never seen mentioned (except by myself), but there's statistical proof that a JT offense is capable of numbers that would satisfy virtually any fan of offensive production.
 
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