2009 tOSU Offense Discussion

[kippy1040]

Honestly, do feel that this offense is prepared to "win" us a game when the defense struggles?

Like Terrelle said a week ago. He is still a work in progress and you can see his frustrations coming off the field. I believe they can get it together real
soon. You just have to have patience here. Ohio State as a whole is a work in progress, kind of like the season of 2004 in a way. Thanks to the defense
we are still holding our own and when they mature as a whole unit on both sides of the ball, everyone should be happy by the time the Michigan game comes around. Patience is a virtue. Remember that.

 

[ThirdGenBuckeye]

Also, does anyone else noticed that Pryor has never had a good game at home? I don't know if it's nerves, or what, but he just seems to lose it at times and can't make any throw.

That may be true but don't forget he threw 4 tds against Troy last year. Granted, it was Troy but you can't say 4 touchdown passes, one pick, and a Freshman record (I think?) isn't a good game.

 

[RB07OSU]

All the freakin excuses...Let just put it out there...This offense can not win us a game...

If the defense ever struggles we are screwed...We have a great defense and lets hope that never happens...

But the thing is we have athletes...anyone see Posey make that great catch, we have some good running backs, a gazelle at QB, good line...And against an unathletic Wisky team we could only come up with 2 plays over 20 yds...

And no I don't want Tress fired, that was the dumbest comment a couple pages back...

Amen. No more excuses. I'm tired of hearing "Well they did that or this"...I'm worried about we. Other offense with lesser athletes are adapting to what they are doing and actually scoring. Teams were averaging 25 points a game on Wisconsin and our offense manages 1 TD. I don't think I have ever been as frustrated with a Buckeyes team as I was at our offense the first half. Quite frankly, it was just terrible. We aren't utilizing Thomas, Stoney etc. and it just seems we should be able to get the ball spread around, instead of Pryor just locking in on Posey or Sanz every single play. Whatever it is, I don't get paid to figure out why our offense is so ineffective, but someone else does and they need to earn it.

 

[BuckeyeBill]

Amen. No more excuses. I'm tired of hearing "Well they did that or this"...I'm worried about we. Other offense with lesser athletes are adapting to what they are doing and actually scoring. Teams were averaging 25 points a game on Wisconsin and our offense manages 1 TD. I don't think I have ever been as frustrated with a Buckeyes team as I was at our offense the first half. Quite frankly, it was just terrible. We aren't utilizing Thomas, Stoney etc. and it just seems we should be able to get the ball spread around, instead of Pryor just locking in on Posey or Sanz every single play. Whatever it is, I don't get paid to figure out why our offense is so ineffective, but someone else does and they need to earn it.

+1

 

[RugbyBuck]

I don't disagree with much of this discussion, but it bears mention that we got Wisconsin's best defensive game. They're a solid team and they played up yesterday. We only scored 1 td, but we missed a lot of possession minutes. If we get three more shots and TP throws another TD and maybe we run in another, it's a different discussion. The offense could be more efficient, but we've got the horses.

 

[Buckeyecty4]

I don't disagree with much of this discussion, but it bears mention that we got Wisconsin's best defensive game. They're a solid team and they played up yesterday. We only scored 1 td, but we missed a lot of possession minutes. If we get three more shots and TP throws another TD and maybe we run in another, it's a different discussion. The offense could be more efficient, but we've got the horses.

Did we get Wisconsin's best defensive game, or did the fact we have a mediocre (at best) offense that shows no consistency or explosiveness, result in Wisconsin's defense looking a helluva lot better than it is?

Based on what Ive seen in the previous 5 Wisconsin games, and from what I've seen the last year and half from the Pryor led OSU offense I tend to think yesterday's result has a lot more to do with our play then it did theirs

 

[matcar]

I don't disagree with much of this discussion, but it bears mention that we got Wisconsin's best defensive game. They're a solid team and they played up yesterday. We only scored 1 td, but we missed a lot of possession minutes. If we get three more shots and TP throws another TD and maybe we run in another, it's a different discussion. The offense could be more efficient, but we've got the horses.

I didn't see anything on Wiscy's D yesterday that suggested we got their best game. And for those that say our offense is still a work in progress...well hell yeah it is...ALL offenses are a work on progress, but ours seems to be starting at a disadvantage...which seems to happen to a frequency that is disappointing.

 

[Mike80]

I didn't see anything on Wiscy's D yesterday that suggested we got their best game. And for those that say our offense is still a work in progress...well hell yeah it is...ALL offenses are a work on progress, but ours seems to be starting at a disadvantage...which seems to happen to a frequency that is disappointing.

Panic much??

 

[matcar]

Panic much??

No, unlike you my youthful friend, I've been watching long enough to see the pattern. Nothing in my post suggests panic, but suggests the obvious trend and watching it unfold again.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Honestly, this is nothing new. With the exception of the 2005/2006, when we simply put too much offensive talent onto the field that not scoring points would have taken monumental screw-ups, Ohio State's offense has not been a game winner this decade. The same problems repeat themselves year after year: in particular, inconsistent OL play and inefficiency in the red zone.

Our success has come on the backs of a lights out defense and NFL caliber kicking and punting.

Not sure, if this crosses a line, but until we make the move to bring in hungry, innovative young OCs, our national championship hopes will continue to rest on defense and kicking and hoping the offense scores just enough to win.

 

[NateG]

Quite frankly, it was just terrible. We aren't utilizing Thomas, Stoney etc. and it just seems we should be able to get the ball spread around, instead of Pryor just locking in on Posey or Sanz every single play.

With Pryor here, he is the beginning and end of the offense. We don't know all the plays called. Pryor locks on them because he is comfortable with them. Alot of us aren't at practice and aren't seeing the coaches make decisions on guys accordingly. But it is obvious that his comfort guys are posey and sanz. The option pass works well because it draws the LB's up 3-5 yards and the WR's drop right in between them and the Safties. Once my dvr gets fixed I'm going to rewatch the game. It didn't seem like we had much line consistency from where I sat. I want to know where the line between excuses and actual events that caused problems is. Because last time I just reviewed plays and said what happened I was told that I was making too many excuses. We have had missed blocks, dropped passes, bad throws, missed holes, and other items that are notorious for a young team. But irregardless I'll go watch play for play and see what I see and repost it. I would be willing to put money on the fact that the same issues of inconsistency are the problems for a stalling offense.

 

[crazybuckfan40]

With Pryor here, he is the beginning and end of the offense. We don't know all the plays called. Pryor locks on them because he is comfortable with them.

False they are the only route out there...

Alot of us aren't at practice and aren't seeing the coaches make decisions on guys accordingly. But it is obvious that his comfort guys are posey and sanz. The option pass works well because it draws the LB's up 3-5 yards and the WR's drop right in between them and the Safties. Once my dvr gets fixed I'm going to rewatch the game. It didn't seem like we had much line consistency from where I sat. I want to know where the line between excuses and actual events that caused problems is. Because last time I just reviewed plays and said what happened I was told that I was making too many excuses. We have had missed blocks, dropped passes, bad throws, missed holes, and other items that are notorious for a young team. But irregardless I'll go watch play for play and see what I see and repost it. I would be willing to put money on the fact that the same issues of inconsistency are the problems for a stalling offense.

I know you can't see them do no wrong...But I don't think you would disagree with the fact that Posey/sanz/Carter/Ballard/Saine are all better athletes that anyone they have on their team. The areas open were down the field, on the outside, behind the safeties...But Wisky knew we weren't going to go there, because we like to play inside the hashes so you might see a missed block or two that hurt us, but why play 8 on 8 in the box, why not go down the field where we can play 1 on 1...

 

[billmac91]

2 plays to breakdown where Terrelle is right now in his development for simplicity:

1st play of the game, Terrelle takes the snap, has a great pocket, multiple open recivers, and forces it into his first read (Dane) between 3 defenders. Incomplete pass. Had Saine WIDE open in the flat and Posey on a slant. Thought the game was going to be a debacle after the first series..even posted in the game thread that we were going to rack up huge points after that first drive..but it didn't develop that way.

The throw after his first interception...he forced it to Dane/Posey(can't remeber which). The play was 2 short stop routes to aqttack the zone. Duron Carter is literally 10 yards from the interception wide open if the throw is on the sideline. But Terrelle had pre-determined where he was going with the football.

It's scary to me that a throw is locked in beofre the snap. Sometimes Terrelle hesittates on a throw and turns it into something spectacular, but I just don't see the progress in reads and checkdowns.

You can say he's a sophmore, give him time, etc.....but it just seems he'd have a bit more awareness at this point and be able to Brady Quinn it down to a running back in the flat if necessary. He hasn't learned this yet...

 

[NateG]

False they are the only route out there...

So we now run a no TE 2-3 back set with 2 WRs???

But I don't think you would disagree with the fact that Posey/sanz/Carter/Ballard/Saine are all better athletes that anyone they have on their team.

Who cares if they are good athletes. It matters if you know how to play football, not if you can run fast or jump high or whatever. That's like saying because Michael Jordan was a great athlete he should be good at football(he was in high school but that's neither here nor there) But they have some guys that will play on Sundays. I can't say "right now" that all of those players you mentioned will unfortunately.

The areas open were down the field, on the outside, behind the safeties...But Wisky knew we weren't going to go there, because we like to play inside the hashes so you might see a missed block or two that hurt us, but why play 8 on 8 in the box, why not go down the field where we can play 1 on 1...

My suggestion would be to call 97.1 on Thurs at 12 noon EST and recommend that to Tress if you feel the calls are bad. But then again, we don't watch 15-25 hours of film on a team and have a file of everytime that OSU has played them. So I will default to the fact that they know more than most on this forum about what a team is likely to do on defense and how to counter it.

I know you can't see them do no wrong...

Did you not read this?

Because last time I just reviewed plays and said what happened I was told that I was making too many excuses. We have had missed blocks, dropped passes, bad throws, missed holes, and other items that are notorious for a young team. But irregardless I'll go watch play for play and see what I see and repost it. I would be willing to put money on the fact that the same issues of inconsistency are the problems for a stalling offense.

I do not think by any stretch of the imagination that that the offense isn't doing anything wrong. But when I watch plays and say what happened, you and 2 or 3 others say "quit making excuses". ????? How is saying a guy missed a block or a guy dropped a pass making an excuse. It is what happened on the play where it failed. The point of attack is huge for running game followed by hitting the hole if that is a win. Passing is broken down into 3 phases, protection, good throw, then a good route/catch by a WR. If any of the parts mess up, it isnt an excuse it is where the play broke down. So I feel that I may have reached the point where I will completely have to stop responding to you and the 3 others on this subject and just review what I see for the other 50 that told me good review or writeup. Because if all you hear from me is"excuse,excuse,excuse" then I have no reason to discuss the offense and its pitfalls with you because that's not what I am doing.

 

[DubCoffman62]

So we now run a no TE 2-3 back set with 2 WRs???



Who cares if they are good athletes. It matters if you know how to play football, not if you can run fast or jump high or whatever. That's like saying because Michael Jordan was a great athlete he should be good at football(he was in high school but that's neither here nor there) But they have some guys that will play on Sundays. I can't say "right now" that all of those players you mentioned will unfortunately.



My suggestion would be to call 97.1 on Thurs at 12 noon EST and recommend that to Tress if you feel the calls are bad. But then again, we don't watch 15-25 hours of film on a team and have a file of everytime that OSU has played them. So I will default to the fact that they know more than most on this forum about what a team is likely to do on defense and how to counter it.



Did you not read this?



I do not think by any stretch of the imagination that that the offense isn't doing anything wrong. But when I watch plays and say what happened, you and 2 or 3 others say "quit making excuses". ????? How is saying a guy missed a block or a guy dropped a pass making an excuse. It is what happened on the play where it failed. The point of attack is huge for running game followed by hitting the hole if that is a win. Passing is broken down into 3 phases, protection, good throw, then a good route/catch by a WR. If any of the parts mess up, it isnt an excuse it is where the play broke down. So I feel that I may have reached the point where I will completely have to stop responding to you and the 3 others on this subject and just review what I see for the other 50 that told me good review or writeup. Because if all you hear from me is"excuse,excuse,excuse" then I have no reason to discuss the offense and its pitfalls with you because that's not what I am doing.

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