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2009 tOSU Offense Discussion

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All the freakin excuses...Let just put it out there...This offense can not win us a game...

If the defense ever struggles we are screwed...We have a great defense and lets hope that never happens...

But the thing is we have athletes...anyone see Posey make that great catch, we have some good running backs, a gazelle at QB, good line...And against an unathletic Wisky team we could only come up with 2 plays over 20 yds...

And no I don't want Tress fired, that was the dumbest comment a couple pages back...
 
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Need more involvement from all our athletes, this takes different formations, different play-calling and TP needs to start thinking like a point guard not a shooting guard in a shooting slump.

I know yesterday's game was hard for the "O" to get into a rhythm and I heard a few O-line-players had the Flu but we are not Frickin' Indiana!?! If this was one game where the O stunk then that's fine but really.....Enough with the excuses already.

Lets hope the next three games we develop some balance and utilization of the talent we have, if not all these excuses are not going to prevent the inevitable outcome. (see PSU game last year)

HB
 
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Holy Buckeye!;1564412; said:
Need more involvement from all our athletes, this takes different formations, different play-calling and TP needs to start thinking like a point guard not a shooting guard in a shooting slump.

I know yesterday's game was hard for the "O" to get into a rhythm and I heard a few O-line-players had the Flu but we are not Frickin' Indiana!?! If this was one game where the O stunk then that's fine but really.....Enough with the excuses already.

Lets hope the next three games we develop some balance and utilization of the talent we have, if not all these excuses are not going to prevent the inevitable outcome. (see PSU game last year)

HB
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I agree. I think the staff knows that teams are gonna stack the box and dare TP to complete passes and drive us down the field. So far in his career he has been a great athlete and dangerous runner. He will have to consistently complete intermediate passing routes and find hot wr`s, which he really struggles at. I was impressed at times in the second half that Wisky`s new qb could find the hot outlet when we blitzed of couse we overwhelmed him most of the time.

I hope we can get over the hump the next few weeks and continue that into our last 3 tough games. We are running out of time to find the intermediate passing game and the ability to beat the blitz with the hot read. I am not sure this is coaching as much as TP not recognizing what he has to do presnap(most teams are sending the DE`s wide because we are not going up the middle with the rb or TP very often, TP seems to want to take everything outside). I think we have to see major consistency the next 3 weeks to win out. I just love this DEFENSE. Go Bucks
 
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This team definitely has the talent on the O side of the ball...there are no excuses from that standpoint for the lack of continuity week in and week out.

Right now I don't see where this team could sustain a drive at the end of a half or game to keep the other team's offense on the sidelines and give the defense a break. This could come back to haunt us and is very concerning. They couldn't do it yesterday at the end of the game and certainly running the ball up the gut three straight times doesn't seem like the way to do it.

We have tremendous speed in our skill players, but we utilize very little misdirection, reverses, or sweeps. We constantly go up the gut up the gut up the gut for minor effectiveness. This worked with Beanie because he could break those on occasion, but this has not been the case with our current backs. The one misdirection run with Saine went for huge yards yesterday. We have some TEs with very good hands, but we rarely utilize TE seam or pop passes as we used to call em back in the day.

Florida ran a very cool option play yesterday with their TE, where he stepped back off the line and into the backfield at the start of the play. It worked very nicely against LSU. I could see that with Stoneburner as the TE and utilizing his speed with the defense collapsing on the dive fake and TP.

As much as TP has seeminly not progressed as much as people would like, the O needs some effective and non predictable play calling. I think this would greatly help TP in settling in and getting comfortable.

We are halfway through the season and it is time for the O to get on track.
 
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First game that I've seen live this season. The offensive players (with the exception of Ray Small) did not see the field, or they didn't have the confidence that they could get to the open spaces. Kick returns (Small exception), running plays, and catches in the open field always began and ended with hesitation. Coleman's interception return didn't have the hesitation. You could see the wall forming on the sidelines, and Coleman attacked it. On Small's kick return, the middle of the field just opened up and Small attacked it. There were several plays on offense where the space/hole was there, but the guys either didn't see it, or didn't have the confidence in their own ability to attack it and make something happen. Most of our skill position guys look lost in open spaces. There is also a whole lot of slowing down and bracing for getting tackled, rather than running through guys or making an aggressive move, in an attempt to make the defender miss.
 
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cbrian815;1564420; said:
I agree. I think the staff knows that teams are gonna stack the box and dare TP to complete passes and drive us down the field. So far in his career he has been a great athlete and dangerous runner. He will have to consistently complete intermediate passing routes and find hot wr`s, which he really struggles at. I was impressed at times in the second half that Wisky`s new qb could find the hot outlet when we blitzed of couse we overwhelmed him most of the time.

I hope we can get over the hump the next few weeks and continue that into our last 3 tough games. We are running out of time to find the intermediate passing game and the ability to beat the blitz with the hot read. I am not sure this is coaching as much as TP not recognizing what he has to do presnap(most teams are sending the DE`s wide because we are not going up the middle with the rb or TP very often, TP seems to want to take everything outside). I think we have to see major consistency the next 3 weeks to win out. I just love this DEFENSE. Go Bucks
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I just watched the first half again. Teams are always up in the box to protect against the running game and just daring us to learn to pass the ball to the middle of the field. I'd love to see us run Ballard up the middle like Moeaki did for Iowa last night against scUM.

As you said, everyone knows Pryor is running outside and the middle is often open. But so many defensive players are within 5-10 yards of the LOS that Pryor needs to throw the intermediate to deep ball. His mistakes seem to come on those quick passes where he's just not reading the defense well enough.

I don't know. It's obviously frustrating to watch. So much talent, but so little results. I still think it's all about the QB. Tress and company obviously know how to develop QBs and get the most out of them. (See Troy and CK) So at this point, my opinion is that its' just all about TP. I know that's alot to put on a guys shoulders...but it seems that he's just not picked up on the finer points of the game as fast as we all thought. Period. Hopefully, with time he will. But as our QB goes, so goes our offense. And right now, it's just not very good.

As a side note, our running game was picking up about 4 yards a pop in the first half and yet we kept trying to throw. I'm wondering why we are trying so hard to get the passing game going almost to the detriment of the running game?? Isn't the running game the QBs best friend?
 
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There's not really much to say. Pryor started poorly but finished fairly well. The offense only had 2 sustained drives out of 9 total. So either we can panic or not. The only thing that can happen is for the team to learn and become better.

It was really nothing new watching Pryor make terrible throws and then great ones. He's been doing that all year. The only difference in this game is that the O only had 17 mintues to score points instead of 30-35. They pretty much showed the same inconsistency as before. Not to say that's okay. I thought the O and especially Pryor would've made more progress by now. I'm really hoping that Pryor can figure it out and the O can come together. They'll need to to finish with only one loss and beat a good to great bowl opponent.

Also, does anyone else noticed that Pryor has never had a good game at home? I don't know if it's nerves, or what, but he just seems to lose it at times and can't make any throw.
 
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The bad news is we are not a very good offensive team right now. The good news is we do have talent on that side of the ball. The key is how much better that talent and especially TP gets between now and the end of season.
 
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crazybuckfan40;1564419; said:
Rivals

Perception folks...It is not good...

6 3 and outs...

3-11 on 3rd downs...

yes we only had 9 drives, but we only moved the ball well on 2 of them...Not good...
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Actually, we had ten possessions, not nine (the kneel down at end of the game counts...see drive chart below). The last three were pure "run the clock out" drives, after our FG early in the fourth put us up 31-13. In essense we had only seven drives where we were trying to move the ball, and we scored on the last two of those seven. Pryor seemed to finally settle down a bit during the TD drive at the end of the first half, and it carried over to the first drive of the second half (FG). Our offense goes as Pryor goes. When he is throwing the ball accurately, we will move the football. Conversely, when he's off and/or rattled, we're stuck because defenses see that and load the box. If Pryor doesn't throw that pick and throw a couple other bad passes we're probably not bemoaning having only 212 yards of offense. If anyone should be complaining about offense, it should be Wisconsin fans. They had 368 yards on 88 plays (4.18 ypp) for a grand total of two FGs. We had 212 yards on 40 plays (5.30 ypp) for a TD and a FG...take out the last three clock-killing possessions, and it's 217 yards on 33 plays (6.58 ypp).

QTR PLY YDS TIME
1Q .. 3 . 9 1:19
1Q .. 6 .11 2:44
1Q .. 3 . 4 1:01
1Q (INT TD)
2Q .. 3 . 0 1:14
2Q .. 3 . 7 1:26
2Q .. 7 .88 1:12 (TD)
3Q (INT TD)
3Q (KO TD)
3Q .. 9 .60 4:08 (FG)
4Q .. 3 .-3 2:01
4Q .. 3 .-1 1:45
4Q .. 1 .-1 0:14
 
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MililaniBuckeye;1564490; said:
Actually, we had ten possessions, not nine (the kneel down at end of the game counts...see drive chart below). The last three were pure "run the clock out" drives, after our FG early in the fourth put us up 31-13. In essense we had only seven drives where we were trying to move the ball, and we scored on the last two of those seven. Pryor seemed to finally settle down a bit during the TD drive at the end of the first half, and it carried over to the first drive of the second half (FG). Our offense goes as Pryor goes. When he is throwing the ball accurately, we will move the football. Conversely, when he's off and/or rattled, we're stuck because defenses see that and load the box. If Pryor doesn't throw that pick and throw a couple other bad passes we're probably not bemoaning having only 212 yards of offense. If anyone should be complaining about offense, it should be Wisconsin fans. They had 368 yards on 88 plays (4.18 ypp) for a grand total of two FGs. We had 212 yards on 40 plays (5.30 ypp) for a TD and a FG...take out the last three clock-killing possessions, and it's 217 yards on 33 plays (6.58 ypp).

QTR PLY YDS TIME
1Q .. 3 . 9 1:19
1Q .. 6 .11 2:44
1Q .. 3 . 4 1:01
1Q (INT TD)
2Q .. 3 . 0 1:14
2Q .. 3 . 7 1:26
2Q .. 7 .88 1:12 (TD)
3Q (INT TD)
3Q (KO TD)
3Q .. 9 .60 4:08 (FG)
4Q .. 3 .-3 2:01
4Q .. 3 .-1 1:45
4Q .. 1 .-1 0:14
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Honestly, do feel that this offense is prepared to "win" us a game when the defense struggles?
 
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I disagree with whoever stated that Wisconsin did all they could to keep our offense off the field. That comment insinuates that they were afraid of our offense. I doubt that was the case. They dominated our offense, and I have a hard time believing they cares if our offense was on the field for a couple extra drives. Bielema even went for a FG when it was a 15 point game, because he knew his defense would likely get the ball right back.

It's frustrating when our offense can't do enough to help our defense against top tier defenses like Penn State and USC. It's even more annoying when they go up against a weak unit like Wisconsin's and play even worse.

Wisconsin is not a good defensive team and we made them look dominant.
 
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