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2009 tOSU Offense Discussion

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crazybuckfan40;1565148; said:
I use to be the guy that argued with Jax, that made excuses for the offense, went back and watched tape, gave the reasons why our offense is ok like it was, that we had a good defense, etc. He is just sticking up because I finally saw his side... :rofl:
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Where's the eternal optimist CBF40 we all used to know? I don't want you hanging out in the Reds thread with this jax chick anymore. She's a bad influence on you.
 
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crazybuckfan40;1565148; said:
I guess it seemed different than a regular 4-4 because they were stacked about 8 yards back and outside, so they could fill the hole if Saine took the ball, or be on the outside if Pryor ran, and also took away all the 5 yard hitches, slants we try to run...The outside was open, and we didn't take advantage...but I think we agree here...
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Yup. If it was a personnel change (S out for LB) its a 44...irrelevant really.

Yes we are mostly in agreement. I'm big on execution as a primary factor in success...shockingly profound I know. I look at GTech, Navy, etc...less with more because of precision and execution.

Right now, that is not the case in Columbus. It starts behind center imo. To me, Terrelle is not playing within the scheme consistently enough. Im really not sure what the answer is...essentially, to skin everything down to the core, the simple answer is the coaching staff is responsible for execution. However, we are all bright enough to know that players do not always do what they are coached to do.

Right now, the playcalling is hampered by inconsistency...as Pryor progresses, the offense will progress.

When he is off, its going to be a long day.
 
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osugrad21;1565161; said:
Yup. If it was a personnel change (S out for LB) its a 44...irrelevant really.

Yes we are mostly in agreement. I'm big on execution as a primary factor in success...shockingly profound I know. I look at GTech, Navy, etc...less with more because of precision and execution.

Right now, that is not the case in Columbus. It starts behind center imo. To me, Terrelle is not playing within the scheme consistently enough. Im really not sure what the answer is...essentially, to skin everything down to the core, the simple answer is the coaching staff is responsible for execution. However, we are all bright enough to know that players do not always do what they are coached to do.

Right now, the playcalling is hampered by inconsistency...as Pryor progresses, the offense will progress.

When he is off, its going to be a long day.
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Does TP have the green light to do a presnap read and change the play when the defense is showing run......is he far enough along in his development to make the correct call at the line? I know he didn`t do much of that last year but it has to make it tough to have no options at the line of scrimmage except the play called. I haven`t for the life of me been able to tell if he audibles or not. I did notice when TB or TS did it. Go Bucks
 
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MililaniBuckeye;1565116; said:
I didn't hear you complain when we put up 38 on Toledo, did I? Or when we put up 33 at Indiana? Or 30 against Illinois in a freakin' monsoon? I never implied the offense is totally alright, but rather there's more to what happened against Wisconsin that what the stats suggest. It took the offense (i.e., Pryor) a while to get warmed up, but when it (he) did, we scored on two consecutive long drives before JT shut the offense down to prevent mistakes from letting Wisconsin back in the game. You can wish for our offense to magically turn into a 50-point-per-game juggernaut, but it ain't gonna happen, even if/when Pryor reaches his full potential because Tressel will either shut down the offense once we get up big or send in the second- and third-stringers for game experience.
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No, you heard me say I was happy, but I also know that we can't make a living beating Toledo and Indy. You know that too I'm quite sure. Pryor and the offense scored 1 touchdown and gave one away. They were essentially break-even. Not good. Can they get better, well sure. But the disappointment over consistently inconsistent play over a number of years isn't doesn't go away simply because we played well against mid-level teams. By the way, I wouldn't say the offense "won" those games when the defense "was having an off day".
 
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osugrad21;1565161; said:
Yup. If it was a personnel change (S out for LB) its a 44...irrelevant really.

Yes we are mostly in agreement. I'm big on execution as a primary factor in success...shockingly profound I know. I look at GTech, Navy, etc...less with more because of precision and execution.

Right now, that is not the case in Columbus. It starts behind center imo. To me, Terrelle is not playing within the scheme consistently enough. Im really not sure what the answer is...essentially, to skin everything down to the core, the simple answer is the coaching staff is responsible for execution. However, we are all bright enough to know that players do not always do what they are coached to do.

Right now, the playcalling is hampered by inconsistency...as Pryor progresses, the offense will progress.

When he is off, its going to be a long day.
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its always hard for me to criticize sometimes especially the qb, since you have a good amount of variety of blame. its hard for me to see sitting there in the stand when an errant ball was it a bad throw? was it the wrong route run by the wr, the qb thinking wrong route, was it a read play, etc.

however when i see a qb with his helmet locked on one guy all the time it tends to be a tad frustrating. no look off. toss in the mechanics. pryor isnt closing his hips, not planting his feet, from the belly button down he is consistently inconsistent. toss in play and ball fakes that if you called half hearted effort would be an insult to toss who half ass it...

let it be said that the qb isnt the only one, rather typically the most visible one to blame.




the team numbers for the week
Ohio St. Football Ranking Summary
rushing off 42nd
passing off 108th
total off 86th
scoring off 46th

punt returns 102nd
 
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Fungo Squiggly;1565160; said:
Where's the eternal optimist CBF40 we all used to know? I don't want you hanging out in the Reds thread with this jax chick anymore. She's a bad influence on you.
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Pretty simple really.

Chicks dig us. CB40 saw the insanity that was going down at the Negative Grouchy Bastard club and decided he wanted some of that. Nobody parties like the NGB baby, nobody.
 
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Is there any way we can get an 8 game exhibition game schedule for college football ? With the exception of 2006, that's about how long it takes our offensive coaches to create an offensive product worth watching. Alternatively, what would happen to our defensive coaching staff if, year after year, they just mailed it in for more than half the season before finally showing improvement? Would Tressel just demur with unending vanilla statements about the defense needing to show improvement or would heads roll?
 
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osugrad21;1565161; said:
Right now, the playcalling is hampered by inconsistency...as Pryor progresses, the offense will progress.

When he is off, its going to be a long day.
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It doesn't matter who is calling the plays if they are not executed. I agree wholeheartedly...until we see some more consistency from TP this is the product we can expect. Some weeks good some weeks bad. Bill Walsh could be calling plays but if you don't make the right reads or under throw or overthrow a receiver, you can expect a lot of three and outs.
It is not hard to see that he is pressing. The game has not slowed down enough for him yet. He is thinking way too much and not allowing his natural ability to come into play. Until he can synch his natural abilities with the mental requirements of the QB position we are going to continue to see the inconsistencies in the offense.
 
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Fungo Squiggly;1565160; said:
Where's the eternal optimist CBF40 we all used to know? I don't want you hanging out in the Reds thread with this jax chick anymore. She's a bad influence on you.
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Well there is still the eternal optimist down inside, and actually out in the real world working has opened some things up in my eyes, and I am always the optimist and I only think they will get better and I look for it week in and week out to see that improved offense, but when you are constantly defending the same thing for 8 years, you start to think.

I am with Grad and JO...but I still think it goes back to scheme...We are in the Gun, but we still only run that same play really...We don't run many routes...I saw a 3rd-10 the other day when the longest route we ran was 5 yds...The one time we went down the field we scored...The coaches are making it harder on the players to execute...Navy is great at what they do, but if you told the defense they were going to run option left all day it would be a little easier to stop...The defense has keys that allow them to have more advantage than they should have...
 
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Re-Watched the game. These were the things I saw on the first 5 drives on which the offense struggled. Numbered points not drives.

1. Tackles tried to get out quick to beat the speed rush and were beat inside a couple of times.
2. Pryor made a bad decision on a zone read option which lost yards. He would have been one on one with a CB and probably gotten 15-20 yards easy instead of handing off.
3. Saine missed a major block on a QB draw.
4. Pryor was rushing himself in the pocket even when he had the time to look for another WR. He had holes opening in the middle of the secondary (my assumption was due to Pryor's outside runs and the defense guarding the edge). He just didn't seem to be patient enough to watch for patterns in between safeties or crossing behind LBs. The backers followed his eyes on a couple of the pass plays. But Pryor threw some bad balls. A couple high and a couple low and was not in sync with where he thought WR's were going.
5 Posey ran a couple of lazy routes that gave the defender a chance to be in better position.(Pryor still threw the ball to him though, so also a bad decision)

The last play of the final drive Pryor made a good decision from what you could see to not throw the ball and run to open field.(couldn't see the routes deep)

The 2 minute drill was started with option plays to calm Pryor and get him in a rhythm of playing ball. He did throw one low ball to Ballard and was hit while throwing once. The deep throw seemed to be just a heave at first but the defender didn't turn around once and Posey did a great job to not allow the defender to read his eyes until it was too late. Solid drive maybe a C+ or B-.

End of 3rd quarter
1st down- looked like a incorrect set up on the TE cross block. Had Adams trying to block 2 guys. (Maybe should have motioned Ballard to the other side?)
2nd- Good hard run from Saine.
3rd- nothing open Pryor ran for first(with pile push assistance)

Then saw two plays with new wrinkles. Sanz made a move to the flats to get Pryor a high percentage throw on a rollout. Then the counter from the spread option look to Saine for big yardage. Couple of hard runs, then tried another rollout that Schofield made a great read on. Tress seemed to shut it down after the FG. Last drive was all runs from the I.
 
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I watched TP in the spring game step into a couple nice throws and thought WOW. He talked about how he needed to get the ball to his playmakers. Now that we are running most everything out of the shotgun it seems that teams are mostly just playing him to run (mostly outside) or handoff for the run and taking their chances that he can not do enough ball distribution to sustain long drives through the air.

I agree with the poster above, we are still very young and inexperienced at the tackle positions. I am thankful Shugarts, Hall and Adams are getting time but I think the guys out (Cordle and Miller) are a little more consistent in pass protection. This probably has a lot to do with our struggles right now on our O. TP doesn`t seem to want to hang in the pocket at all on pass plays. We are back to square one on offensive execution...too many guys messing up assignments. Guys are definately not having fun on OFFENSE.

One other thing to think about. TS used to always talk about being the HUNTER. He liked to attack teams and impose our will on them...granted he had NFL talent all over the place....but it was stilll his mindset. When it clicks with TP and he has this mindset we will impress. Go Bucks
 
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