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2008 TSUN News

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Rich_Rodriguez;1357204; said:
He wanted to recruit players for defense, I told him that playing defense was how I punished players who couldn't perform in my godlike offense. So, there was some differences. I hope he fails wherever he goes.
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Are you sure it had nothing to do with concussions?
 
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sandgk;1357039; said:
The final nail in his coaching coffin was not wins and losses - it was academic embarrassment, a feeling of a team that was rudderless and the fear of where that might lead if left unchecked.
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...and who would win the "academic integrity" derby?

Carr or RROD?


gost8;1357185; said:
Michigan hates us???
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No, their real rival is Sparty.
 
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HailToMichigan;1356972; said:
I'm OK with taking the risk we took because it's not acceptable to sit around and be a regional power that can beat up on Minnesota but can't win the ones that really count.
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In all seriousness, what are some things you point to as signs of progress? Beyond any arguments of what RR did at some other school, what's he done this year at Michigan that gives you reason to think that you'll even be back up to the level of a "regional power", never mind "national power", anytime soon? Do you see improvement in any phase of the game?

RR was supposed to bring an upgrade in strength and conditioning and team discipline over the "fat, lazy and too easygoing" Carr days. I don't see that on the field at all. I also don't see how players yelling at coaches shows any sort of team discipline, and I certainly don't recall that ever happening under Lloyd's watch. I also don't see any upgrade in recruiting.

The main argument you guys seem to be making with each other is that RR had a bad first season everywhere he went until his team "learned the system" and he "got his guys". Is that it? Is that all you have? You're waiting around for him to turn Shavodrick Beaver into Pat White?
 
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BrutusBobcat;1357675; said:
In all seriousness, what are some things you point to as signs of progress? Beyond any arguments of what RR did at some other school, what's he done this year at Michigan that gives you reason to think that you'll even be back up to the level of a "regional power", never mind "national power", anytime soon? Do you see improvement in any phase of the game?

RR was supposed to bring an upgrade in strength and conditioning and team discipline over the "fat, lazy and too easygoing" Carr days. I don't see that on the field at all. I also don't see how players yelling at coaches shows any sort of team discipline, and I certainly don't recall that ever happening under Lloyd's watch. I also don't see any upgrade in recruiting.

The main argument you guys seem to be making with each other is that RR had a bad first season everywhere he went until his team "learned the system" and he "got his guys". Is that it? Is that all you have? You're waiting around for him to turn Shavodrick Beaver into Pat White?
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While I think much of the criticism of RR goes over the top at times, these are fair (and tough) questions. I would be surprised if UM doesn't show some improvement next year, but I'm curious what gives their fans such optimism.
 
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BrutusBobcat;1357675; said:
In all seriousness, what are some things you point to as signs of progress? Beyond any arguments of what RR did at some other school, what's he done this year at Michigan that gives you reason to think that you'll even be back up to the level of a "regional power", never mind "national power", anytime soon? Do you see improvement in any phase of the game?
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Obviously not. At least not from year to year. From beginning to end of this season? Absolutely. But in any case, it's the height of foolishness to take the results of one year and assume it will continue that way for all time.

I also don't see how players yelling at coaches shows any sort of team discipline, and I certainly don't recall that ever happening under Lloyd's watch.
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I do. It's why Ryan Mallett wasn't in Carr's good graces all year. Voices were not raised except by Carr, but still.

I also don't see any upgrade in recruiting.
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Don't you?

Going by Rivals' list, there are 13 four-stars or above (in this case, no five stars yet) in the class, and Will Campbell will probably be back, making it 14. Since 2002 when Rivals first started keeping track, there have been a couple other Michigan classes with that many, but never any more than 13 - the lone exception being last year, with 17, five of which RR was directly responsible for and a couple more that he had to recruit so as not to decommit. And this is only his first-and-a-half recruiting season at Michigan. I could be argued down to believing there isn't really any up-or-down difference, but I think recruiting has gone very well. And anyone who tries to claim he's done worse is just nuts.

You're waiting around for him to turn Shavodrick Beaver into Pat White?
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You say that like you're incredulous it could ever happen. But Pat White was a meh-rated three-star guy, two stars if you prefer Scout. Beaver and Forcier are probably the most talented QBs coming out of high school that RR's ever coached.
 
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I also don't see how players yelling at coaches shows any sort of team discipline, and I certainly don't recall that ever happening under Lloyd's watch.
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HailToMichigan;1357879; said:
I do. It's why Ryan Mallett wasn't in Carr's good graces all year. Voices were not raised except by Carr, but still.
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So, you remember players yelling at coaches during Carr's tenure, but Carr was the only one yelling? That makes no sense. Every coach yells at their players, it's part of their job. But, to see a player screaming in the face of a coach is something you rarely see, even at the professional level. Even if you claim that there were player/coach altercations behind closed doors, I can't recall that sort of public fracas at UM before. The only times I can remember a similar scene in a college game, it was indicative of a team that was not under the control of it's coach (Holtz at USC, Coker at Miami, Smith at MSU, etc.).
 
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