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2008 TSUN News

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HailToMichigan;1356601; said:
I mean, you don't hire a coach to reverse a several-years-long trend and a long slow slide into mediocrity, and build up something new, and expect two years will do the trick.
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Huh? Since 2002, Michigan has gone 10-3, 10-3, 9-3, 7-5, 11-2, and 9-4. Yeah, Michigan had the nightmarish start last season, losing to App State and getting destroyed by Oregon (both at home), but otherwise you finished 9-2 with a Jan 1 bowl win over a strong SEC team. The 2005 season would be the only one I'd consider "mediocre". The only reason why Carr was even let go was he couldn't beat Tressel. Take away his losses to Tressel and your record in those seasons from 2002 is 10-2, 9-2, 7-4, 11-1, and 9-3. I really don't see a "long slow slide into mediocrity" there.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;1356850; said:
Huh? Since 2002, Michigan has gone 10-3, 10-3, 9-3, 7-5, 11-2, and 9-4. Yeah, Michigan had the nightmarish start last season, losing to App State and getting destroyed by Oregon (both at home), but otherwise you finished 9-2 with a Jan 1 bowl win over a strong SEC team. The 2005 season would be the only one I'd consider "mediocre". The only reason why Carr was even let go was he couldn't beat Tressel. Take away his losses to Tressel and your record in those seasons from 2002 is 10-2, 9-2, 7-4, 11-1, and 9-3. I really don't see a "long slow slide into mediocrity" there.
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Three seasons above their all-time winning percentage, two below it, and one identical to it. That's including the losses to OSU. Tough to see a slide there.
 
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I dunno man, I can see it just fine.
 
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Scout | Rivals | MLive

UM Defensive Coordinator Scott Shafer has resigned.
"Scott and I agreed that moving in a different direction was in the best interest of the program," said Rodriguez. "I appreciate Scott's hard work on behalf of Michigan football the past year. He is a good football coach, a good person and a true professional. We wish him well in the future."
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I'm sure he'll miss UM's personnel, assistants who were hired for (and before) him, and moves like that 3-3-5 purdue disaster.
 
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Scott Shafer hits the bricks

Michigan defensive coordinator Scott Shafer has resigned, according to a release sent by the school Tuesday afternoon.
"Scott and I agreed that moving in a different direction was in the best interest of the program," said coach Rich Rodriguez. "I appreciate Scott's hard work on behalf of Michigan football the past year. He is a good football coach, a good person and a true professional. We wish him well in the future."
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MililaniBuckeye;1356850; said:
Huh? Since 2002, Michigan has gone 10-3, 10-3, 9-3, 7-5, 11-2, and 9-4. Yeah, Michigan had the nightmarish start last season, losing to App State and getting destroyed by Oregon (both at home), but otherwise you finished 9-2 with a Jan 1 bowl win over a strong SEC team. The 2005 season would be the only one I'd consider "mediocre". The only reason why Carr was even let go was he couldn't beat Tressel. Take away his losses to Tressel and your record in those seasons from 2002 is 10-2, 9-2, 7-4, 11-1, and 9-3. I really don't see a "long slow slide into mediocrity" there.
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And did you guys keep Cooper when he was putting up loss after loss to Michigan? Would you even have been that patient with him if he kept losing bowl games and suffered the most embarrassing loss in NCAA history? We were stagnating. You can't "take away the losses to Tressel", as much as I'd like to, because that's half of what you're judged on at Michigan. Yeah, take away the most important games of the year and we're doing alright. I'm OK with taking the risk we took because it's not acceptable to sit around and be a regional power that can beat up on Minnesota but can't win the ones that really count.
 
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HailToMichigan;1356972; said:
And did you guys keep Cooper when he was putting up loss after loss to Michigan? Would you even have been that patient with him if he kept losing bowl games and suffered the most embarrassing loss in NCAA history? We were stagnating. You can't "take away the losses to Tressel", as much as I'd like to, because that's half of what you're judged on at Michigan. Yeah, take away the most important games of the year and we're doing alright. I'm OK with taking the risk we took because it's not acceptable to sit around and be a regional power that can beat up on Minnesota but can't win the ones that really count.
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Not that you made such an argument, but when the 90s had Michigan fans claiming that Ohio State wasn't their "Real" rivalry, such a comment as you make here rings hollow. Again, not that you said that back in the day... just saying that such comments maybe have a bearing on the situation today as a general matter.
 
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HailToMichigan;1356972; said:
And did you guys keep Cooper when he was putting up loss after loss to Michigan? Would you even have been that patient with him if he kept losing bowl games and suffered the most embarrassing loss in NCAA history? We were stagnating.
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What does Cooper have to do with your claim that Michigan was "sliding into mediocrity" before DickRod? Nothing. But, to appease you, let me remind you that Cooper's final two years were 6-6 and 8-4. Carr's were 11-2 and 9-4...and you had a bowl win to boot. Of the two coaches, I'd say that Cooper was sliding into mediocrity more than Carr was, especially when Cooper's previous four teams were 11-2, 11-1, 10-3, and 11-1. And we stuck with Cooper (unfortunately) not only after all those losses to Michigan but also all those losses in bowl games (3-8 under Cooper). Cooper deserved to be shit-canned...not sure you can say the same about Carr.
 
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HailToMichigan;1356972; said:
And did you guys keep Cooper when he was putting up loss after loss to Michigan?
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In a word: yes.

It was off the field stuff (Reggie "My GPA was bad because I never attended class. It wasn't bad because I did the work and failed" Germany). It was the character of the kids that he was bringing in that signaled his demise (7 academic casualties out of 25 recruits in '99 and 2 more that left the program after 1 year). Ryan Brewer became a bit symbolic in that regard, as his performance against OSU in their bowl game was more painful to watch knowing that he was passed over for guys that had such nebulous "careers" at OSU (Richard Hall, Maurice Lee, and Kelton Lindsey for example).
 
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HailToMichigan;1356972; said:
And did you guys keep Cooper when he was putting up loss after loss to Michigan?
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Mentioned purely because the math is important to illustrate the point.

Cooper was kept (not by "us guys" - but certainly by the University) even though he piled up loss after loss in The Game and loss after loss in all bowl games except for a few instances (notably the Rose Bowl win) over a thirteen year period 2-10-1, 2-10-1!

The final nail in his coaching coffin was not wins and losses - it was academic embarrassment, a feeling of a team that was rudderless and the fear of where that might lead if left unchecked.

But - as Mili said above, the W-L record alone should have cooked Coop's goose.
 
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