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HailToMichigan;1355512; said:
Let me try to avoid subtleties here. This is - not to put too fine a point on it, mind you - the single stupidest thing I've ever seen.

You're suggesting that a family, undergoing some unknown rocky times, should quit their jobs, sell the house, pack up and spend untold thousands to leave town, move at least four people across the country, take the kids out of school (McGuffie has at least two younger siblings that I've heard of) and try to find new jobs and a new place in a strange town, simply to prevent him from transferring? Should they bring Grandma and Grandpa and Aunt and Uncle McGuffie too, or just the kids?

I hope that was conceptual enough for you, Mr. Philosopher.
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It was certainly better.

There is no need to exaggerate your points, yes it is a terrible inconvenience to pick up and move to Ann Arbor but no they do not have to sell their house or necessarily go to lengths to root themselves to a place that they would presumably leave after Mcguffie was drafted. That is of course their own prerogative. I argue that it is at least equally as large an inconvenience for Mcguffie to move back to Texas and thereby seriously risk his chances at going pro. Which by the by his parents may have been counting on.

Lets call possibly throwing away a golden opportunity even with moving your family across the country. I think that's fair and I don't think anyone could necessarily prove me wrong there. People uproot their families for career opportunities far less profitable the NFL all the time. I know if it were my son I would move, but I am a fairly risk avoiding person and my priorities may differ drastically from the Mcguffie's. But again I think it's fair to say that the average person would at least call these two choices at least even as per their inconvenience.

Now consider that Mcguffie didn't necessarily have to move back home. It would be nice to be close to home with your family going through turmoil but could he necessarily fix any problems? Likely not. So if not purely for his families sake, then he must need the comfort of his home. And then you have to ask yourself why. Isn't you team supposed to be your family? Aren't they supposed to hold you up much the way your true family would? Aren't they supposed to provide many of those essential functions that your family provides? And shouldn't it then have been difficult for him to leave a team that should have felt like his family? I know Ohio State has problems getting rid of many of our first round draft choices for this reason.

You see if it were only this point I wouldn't be able to say that RR and the poison environment that he has created at UM were at fault. But I gave you a wall of text with numerous points, of which you could only respond to one. And I didn't have the time to touch on the other transfers, or the recruiting woes, or the grumblings from other players. I can't fault you for being loyal to your coach because he is technically speaking an extension of your school and its judgment, vision, values, and so on. But there comes a time when it is appropriate to ask yourself how the hell your school could throw away all tradition and precedence for an over rated, corrupt, incompetent coach and his gimmicky offense that honestly never had a prayer at working effectively once we had a few looks at it. Is this really the direction you want your school going? I for one wouldn't stand for it.
 
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HailToMichigan;1355522; said:
I avoided commenting on that in order to not get in three arguments at once. That's how the RR thread got to be so big. But since you asked, it probably doesn't come as any surprise to you that I think you're reading more into that than there really is. I really don't see how you get "we don't worry about losing him" out of "the concussions were a concern" - or at least, I wouldn't if I had never seen the RR thread.

Besides, given the concussions, the mandatory year off is probably a plus for Sam's health. If this came up in the behind the scenes discussions about transferring, then I don't see that as some kind of a black mark on the coaches. Quite the opposite.
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I commented on that myself. You simply didn't respond because you didn't have any adequate defense which you have clearly demonstrated here. You might as well have just shrugged your shoulders and said I know it looks damning but I really think he was just rambling incoherently unaware of the sub context it seemed as though he was implying.
 
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HailToMichigan;1355512; said:
Let me try to avoid subtleties here. This is - not to put too fine a point on it, mind you - the single stupidest thing I've ever seen.

You're suggesting that a family, undergoing some unknown rocky times, should quit their jobs, sell the house, pack up and spend untold thousands to leave town, move at least four people across the country, take the kids out of school (McGuffie has at least two younger siblings that I've heard of) and try to find new jobs and a new place in a strange town, simply to prevent him from transferring? Should they bring Grandma and Grandpa and Aunt and Uncle McGuffie too, or just the kids?

I hope that was conceptual enough for you, Mr. Philosopher.
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Pffffft. They're stoopid NOT to sell their house now in this booming real estate market and move to a state with a thriving economy like Michigan. Only an idiot would pass on an opportunity like that. Fools.
 
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Bucky Katt;1355688; said:
Pffffft. They're stoopid NOT to sell their house now in this booming real estate market and move to a state with a thriving economy like Michigan. Only an idiot would pass on an opportunity like that. Fools.
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Plus, it's really easy to find a job in this part of the country.
 
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