2008 TSUN News

[HailToMichigan]

He has Daryl Stonum but he is barely used or even targeted.

I don't agree; Stonum is the third receiver and is being used about like you'd expect a freshman third receiver to be, with the caveat that RR is throwing a lot of different receiver combos out there to see what's what. It's not his fault that Threet overthrows him and all the other receivers with regularity, so he's missed out on a few catches, but his snaps have gone up in the past two games.

It will be interesting to hear the fan reaction if he keeps trying that in Columbus this november.

It'll be more interesting to hear the fan reaction in Columbus if it works One change from last year is the reads the quarterback makes - and two of the biggest plays all day against Wiscy (the Dual Threet scamper and the Minor TD) were the same exact play with the right reads made by Threet. Threet may be heaving a lot of his passes 5 yards over the head of his receivers, but he's made a lot of good progress learning to run the offense.

LOL nice to see you get excited about a player who isn't going to hit the field until the '10-'11 season when you guys are having so much trouble winning games right now.

http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/...10-oh-de-j-t-moore-buckeye-4.html#post1256447

LOLlerskates. Nice to see you get excited about a player who isn't going to hit the field until the '10-'11 season. And if we're soooooooo bad right now, shouldn't that be a really good reason to get excited over the future, hm?

 

[osugrad21]

Blade

Spread destined for UM, no matter
Rodriguez says he's used it for 17 years
By JOE VARDON
BLADE SPORTS WRITER
Michigan coach Rich Rodriguez was asked yesterday if he ever thought of delaying his implementation of the spread offense until the Wolverines had players more suited to that scheme. In a word - no. "It wasn't really a decision to make because that's what we do," Rodriguez said. "That's the offense I've been running for 17 years, and there's so many different elements of the spread, we can feature different things - whether it's the pass or the run or various formations out of the spread. No, we were going to run the offense we've been running the last 17 years." UM is last in the Big Ten in scoring (20.8 points per game), total offense (285 yards per game), and passing (148), and next to last in rushing (136.2). "It's not going well for the most part, but it's going well at times," said Rodriguez, who said this was going to be a transition year regardless because of the loss of high-profile players like Chad Henne, Mike Hart, Jake Long, Mario Manningham and Adrian Arrington to the NFL.
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[TheIronColonel]

Translation: "I don't know how to do anything else, and if this doesn't work I'll just keep doing it anyway."

 

[LightningRod]

So all of this talk about the rodster fitting his system to his talent was a bunch of bull? I am shocked.

 

[HailToMichigan]

So all of this talk about the rodster fitting his system to his talent was a bunch of bull? I am shocked.

Nobody said anything about dumping the system. If you watch the games it's very easy to see the difference between '08 Michigan and '07 West Virginia. The run/pass ratio is close to even, vs. 70/30 run at WVU. That touchdown pass to Kevin Koger, a tight end route over the middle? Not part of the playbook last year. Threet throws downfield far more than Pat White ever did.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Nobody said anything about dumping the system. If you watch the games it's very easy to see the difference between '08 Michigan and '07 West Virginia. The run/pass ratio is close to even, vs. 70/30 run at WVU. That touchdown pass to Kevin Koger, a tight end route over the middle? Not part of the playbook last year. Threet throws downfield far more than Pat White ever did.

Watch the Syracuse/WVU game from last year. Tell me it's any different from the crap being thrown on your field this year.......except without turnovers and actually working.

 

[tsteele316]

Nobody said anything about dumping the system. If you watch the games it's very easy to see the difference between '08 Michigan and '07 West Virginia. The run/pass ratio is close to even, vs. 70/30 run at WVU. That touchdown pass to Kevin Koger, a tight end route over the middle? Not part of the playbook last year. Threet throws downfield far more than Pat White ever did.

the issue is why you see the difference.

1. wvu was far more talented, and played from in front just about every game. it makes it easy to stick with your strength of running the ball.

2. threet throws downfield more than pat white ever did because michigan has more plays for 0 or negative yardage than wvu had in 3 years with pat white at qb.

I would posit that if michigan managed to get more positive yards on 1st and 2nd down, and didn't play from behind as often as they do, you would see something closer to 70/30.

 

[shetuck]

All I was thinking on Saturday watching Threet flop around without a motor or any semblance of an arm, was that there's no way that Ryan Mallett would have been any worse at running what appears to be an ad-hoc mish-mash of an offensive set this year.

 

[jwinslow]

I don't agree; Stonum is the third receiver and is being used about like you'd expect a freshman third receiver to be, with the caveat that RR is throwing a lot of different receiver combos out there to see what's what. It's not his fault that Threet overthrows him and all the other receivers with regularity, so he's missed out on a few catches, but his snaps have gone up in the past two games.

He barely gets the ball, even on dumpoff passes though. Will McNeal fair much better next season, or Randle for that matter? It seems like a lot of the offense goes through a couple of guys (McGuffie, Odoms and Threet on keepers) who are all very much like what RR used at WVU. Perhaps that will change with a different QB.

It'll be more interesting to hear the fan reaction in Columbus if it works

Are you expecting OSU LBs to completely ignore him like Wisconsin?

One change from last year is the reads the quarterback makes - and two of the biggest plays all day against Wiscy (the Dual Threet scamper and the Minor TD) were the same exact play with the right reads made by Threet. Threet may be heaving a lot of his passes 5 yards over the head of his receivers, but he's made a lot of good progress learning to run the offense.

How in the world is that a change from last year and WVU? Not following that at all.

Nobody said anything about dumping the system. If you watch the games it's very easy to see the difference between '08 Michigan and '07 West Virginia. The run/pass ratio is close to even, vs. 70/30 run at WVU.

Actually there was quite a bit of talk like that, or to some extent. We were told how there would be a passing spread to utilize Threet's strengths, but instead he's out there running a LOT. He's running primarily the same zone-read option offense with more passes downfield, not a passing spread like was predicted by UM fans. Threet is not running what you see in New Orleans, Norman or Missouri (wasn't sure where they played).

That touchdown pass to Kevin Koger, a tight end route over the middle? Not part of the playbook last year.

He's lined up in the slot, not really "new". 0:41, 1:39 are pretty similar passes.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_73bsdVi_c]YouTube - The Pat White Show: Revised[/ame]

 

[LightningRod]

Nobody said anything about dumping the system.

OK, maybe I'll be accused of creating the quoted material simply to have material to say I told you so. I could link hundreds of other websites that contained similar statements about this offensive guru, but I think the point is made.

I'm Shocked That He Didn't Modify the System to Fit the Talent

Mallett will never be mistaken for Pat White, the run-first Heisman Trophy candidate at West Virginia. But here?s where a misconception about Rodriguez?s system comes in. While White and his predecessor Rasheed Marshall were runners, Rodriguez has also won with passers at different levels. Rodriguez?s offense began as a Mouse Davis-style Run-and-Shoot at Glenville State, and he?s adapted the system since then to the talent around him. Jed Drenning, Rodriguez?s first quarterback at Glenville, threw for 4,329 yards in his senior season. One of his receivers, Chris George, set an all-college single-season record with 144 pass receptions. So it?s not all just run.

 

[jwinslow]

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Adidas Uniforms

Published by Dylan
on September 30, 2008
in 2008-2009 Season
. 23 Comments

Here they are on the freshman, no major changes to the uniform:

Same traditional/boring look, but that's often preferrable to some of the uniforms the nincompoops design these days.

 

[3074326]

Picture makes me want to vomit for a variety of reasons. Not sure if it's the "cool" factor, the uniforms, or the fact that it's scUM. Could be all of them. :)

 

[HailToMichigan]

He barely gets the ball, even on dumpoff passes though. Will McNeal fair much better next season, or Randle for that matter?

I hope not. Hopefully Stonum and Odoms will develop well enough that future WR signees can be redshirted and allowed to develop in practice like most freshmen. Stonum would get the ball more if Threet wouldn't overthrow him.

Are you expecting OSU LBs to completely ignore him like Wisconsin?

I'm hoping they will. Actually what I'm really hoping for is for Threet to juke them out of their shorts. It happened on occasion against Wiscy. Sure, on Threet's big run, the DE bought the handoff hook line and sinker and opened up the hole for Threet. Isn't that the whole point of the offense?

How in the world is that a change from last year and WVU? Not following that at all.

Sorry, that was supposed to mean a change from Michigan's offense in that case.

He's lined up in the slot, not really "new". 0:41, 1:39 are pretty similar passes.

0:41 is a rollout; I don't think I've seen any of that out of Threet. 1:39 does look a lot the same.

He's running primarily the same zone-read option offense with more passes downfield,

Isn't that what I'm saying? Adapting the offense to the personnel? Actually, Threet's running has in fact been better than his passing at times, which is weird. But Threet is proving to be reasonably mobile. Certainly a lot more mobile than Mallett is.

Same traditional/boring look, but that's often preferrable to some of the uniforms the nincompoops design these days.

No stupid stripes in random dumb locations = good. Once upon a time Michigan tried a uniform with just a small block M logo above the numbers - it was a Nike thing, they had UNC doing the same thing. It was the worst thing the team ever wore since short shorts.

 

[jwinslow]

I'm hoping they will.

Is that an answer without giving one?

Actually what I'm really hoping for is for Threet to juke them out of their shorts. It happened on occasion against Wiscy. Sure, on Threet's big run, the DE bought the handoff hook line and sinker and opened up the hole for Threet. Isn't that the whole point of the offense?

Hopefully our guys standing 2 yds away with a clean view of the ball won't make that same mistake. I also don't expect our safeties to be as consistently out of position as Carter.

Isn't that what I'm saying? Adapting the offense to the personnel?

Yes, but I think most expected a lot less running from Threet. He's asking him to do a lot of things Pat White did.

Actually, Threet's running has in fact been better than his passing at times, which is weird. But Threet is proving to be reasonably mobile. Certainly a lot more mobile than Mallett is.

Indeed that has been odd.
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No stupid stripes in random dumb locations = good. Once upon a time Michigan tried a uniform with just a small block M logo above the numbers - it was a Nike thing, they had UNC doing the same thing. It was the worst thing the team ever wore since short shorts.

Yup, 'meh' is not a bad thing in uniforms. That one was.

 

[HailToMichigan]

In what has got to be the least surprising news of the 2010 class, Jeremy Jackson committed to Michigan. Got our WRs for the class, unless RR finds someone that's 5'4" and runs a 4.1 40. Marvin Robinson is scheduled to visit for the MSU game and may commit then.

I wonder where brutus2002 is? He was last seen in this thread a few weeks ago telling us the walls of Jericho are falling or something like that, followed almost immediately by verbals from two of the top DEs in the country. I hope he shows up again soon - it might cause Jelani Jenkins to become a Wolverine.