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2008 tOSU QB discussion (official thread)

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generaladm;1181189; said:
Thanks for all the great replies to my post. I know everyone is behind TB, I just think it's crazy that people would discuss benching the QB who led the Big Ten in pass efficiency and won a conference title.
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He led the conference in passing efficiency despite not playing all that well over his last four games. Now before you start tossing out stats of those games showing his relatively high completion percentage, look at his TD/INT ratio and his overall effectiveness, and most importantly look at his poise.

First nine games: 138-208-8, 21 TDs (66.3%) TD/INT ratio: 2.3/0.89
Last four games: 52-90-6, 4 TDs (57.8%) TD/INT ratio: 1/1.5

Beanie won us the Wisconsin and Michigan games nearly single-handlely, not Boeckman.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;1181217; said:
He led the conference in passing efficiency despite not playing all that well over his last four games. Now before you start tossing out stats of those games showing his relatively high completion percentage, look at his TD/INT ratio and his overall effectiveness, and most importantly look at his poise.

First nine games: 138-208-8, 21 TDs (66.3%) TD/INT ratio: 2.3/0.89
Last four games: 52-90-6, 4 TDs (57.8%) TD/INT ratio: 1/1.5

Beanie won us the Wisconsin and Michigan games nearly single-handlely, not Boeckman.
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Amen. For whatever reason, Boeckman could not keep his feet or hold onto the ball in Ann Arbor--Beanie managed to keep his feet--and the ball-- on the same field and VI L stayed true to his seniors, admirable, but it probably cemented the loss of Ryan Mallet and it certainly left the Buckeye defense in charge of the game.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
He led the conference in passing efficiency despite not playing all that well over his last four games. Now before you start tossing out stats of those games showing his relatively high completion percentage, look at his TD/INT ratio and his overall effectiveness, and most importantly look at his poise.

First nine games: 138-208-8, 21 TDs (66.3%) TD/INT ratio: 2.3/0.89
Last four games: 52-90-6, 4 TDs (57.8%) TD/INT ratio: 1/1.5

Beanie won us the Wisconsin and Michigan games nearly single-handlely, not Boeckman.
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agreed.

hes not the first not the last to have that.

his worst games came in a streak.

mili and i both agree we wont an outright winner to run away with this discussion circa troy...
 
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Everybody here is, or should be, behind TB 100%, and I'm sure everyone is. He's the starter for better or worse and like was pointed out in the past, if he loses the starting job, that means tOSU has dropped a game or two.

That said, the concerns are valid. He wasn't very good vs. Wiscy and flat out played poorly vs. Illinois. I'm willing to give him a wash in the scUM game because of the field conditions and Beanie's pure dominance. I don't think he played poorly vs. LSU, but he didn't do a lot to help us win that game. I've made a reference to Krenzel vs. Miami in the past, of how he at times willed the offense down the field for a score. Let's not forget, he too was essentially a first year starter in 2002. Overall TB did very well stepping in under tremendous pressure for a legend. He doesn't need to be Troy Smith, he just needs to be "Krenzel-Like" (cliche alert) and manage the game and limit mistakes. He didn't do that those last four games last year, hopefully he will this year.
 
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Which Team Has The Best Quarterback Situation In College Football? | Bleacher Report

There are the Haves, and the Have-nots. Two distinct groups of teams who are either going into Summer completely set at the quarterback position, or embroiled in a chaotic, fact-finding mission to figure out who will be their leader. In either case, here are the teams who have a chance to make it to the BCS bowls by virtue of their quarterback, and others who have no prayer at all.

The Haves:

Ohio State. Not only do they have Boeckman back, but a killer back field to take the pressure off of him and keep the D honest. They also have the anointed one- Terrelle Pryor. They are stacked. The Buckeye's season starts or ends on September 13th against USC. Boeckman's pass ratio (14-25) and QB rating (148.9) are solid. The Bucks are solid everywhere.
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NCAA Football: Todd Boeckman & Matthew Stafford; Premier Pro Style QB's | Bleacher Report

NCAA Football: Todd Boeckman & Matthew Stafford; Premier Pro Style QB's

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With the proliferation of the various forms of the spread offense the pro styled passers' prevalence has decreased dramatically in the last five years.
The increase in influence of duel threat, spread option, and the shotgun spread systems have only served to make the drop back, pro style passer an endangered species in college football.
Of the Athlon Preseason Top 25, only eight schools (Ohio St, USC, UGA, Wisc, ASU, Tenn, VaTech and Rutgers) run legitimate pro styled offenses. With Terrelle Pryor poised to take the OSU reins as a duel threat in 2009, it would appear another pro scheme will temporarily bite the dust.
Todd Boeckman, Matthew Stafford, and Mark Sanchez headline this year's crop of pro styled passers in college football. Each of them holds a BCS title within reach.
Sanchez is the least experienced of the group, and although USC OC Steve Sarkisian has been quoted as saying:
"I?m anxious to watch Mark become the guy...I?m anxious to see him to do that because he?s very, very talented."
Sanchez is not yet on the level of Boeckman and Stafford, the two elite talents heading into the 2008 season. The two players are night and day in their on-field persona and the contrast is what truly makes choosing between the two difficult.

Todd Boeckman (6'5", 243 lbs)
In his first year as a starter, Boeckman was faced with the challenge of replacing a Heisman trophy winner who led the Buckeyes to a BCS title game appearance. He not only accepted the challenge but outperformed all the expectations that were heaped upon him.
Throwing for 2379 yards, 25 TDs, and a passer rating of 148.95 will get you into the good graces of Columbus quite quickly.
As the 2008 season approaches the expectations have increased for the senior, and Boeckman appears ready to face the challenges.
He returns his leading receivers, Hartline and Robiskie, as well as his leading rusher in Chris "Beanie" Wells as the Buckeyes look poised to make the leap from pretender to contender.
Fundamentally, Boeckman is as solid as they come. He has quality footwork in his drop backs while his release and arm angle are text book form.
In running the pro styled offense under Tressell, Todd Boeckman has proven himself to be not only an extremely efficient passer, completing almost 64 percent of his passes, but also a calm, even tempered quarterback.
Although Boeckman can make all the throws required of him, the senior appears to be the most comfortable in play action sets. He carries out fakes well, gets good depth after the fake, and is able to quickly diagnose the coverage situation and deliver the football accurately.
For all that Boeckman does correctly there is a serious glaring flaw within his game that could cause problems in Columbus this season.
It is his inability to truly win a game. Although Boeckman will never lose the game for you he will also never win the game. He's a role player, albeit a significant one, in Jim Tressell's system.
Tressell's inability to rely on his quarterback reared it's head first in the loss to Illinois as Boeckman struggled to the tune of three interceptions and an 87.41 QB rating.
Then the following week in the Michigan game after a first half consisting of an interception and two fumbles, Tressell limited Boeckman to two pass attempts in the second half and rode Beanie Wells for 39 carries.
Boeckman has to prove he can be a quarterback who wins games, not a guy who has to get out of his team's way for them to be successful. This season Boeckman has some added pressure to succeed with Terrelle Pryor waiting on the Buckeye sidelines.
 
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OSUBuckeye4Life;1181287; said:
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For all that Boeckman does correctly there is a serious glaring flaw within his game that could cause problems in Columbus this season.
It is his inability to truly win a game. Although Boeckman will never lose the game for you he will also never win the game. He's a role player, albeit a significant one, in Jim Tressell's system.
Tressell's inability to rely on his quarterback reared it's head first in the loss to Illinois as Boeckman struggled to the tune of three interceptions and an 87.41 QB rating.
Then the following week in the Michigan game after a first half consisting of an interception and two fumbles, Tressell limited Boeckman to two pass attempts in the second half and rode Beanie Wells for 39 carries.
Boeckman has to prove he can be a quarterback who wins games, not a guy who has to get out of his team's way for them to be successful. This season Boeckman has some added pressure to succeed with Terrelle Pryor waiting on the Buckeye sidelines.
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Exactly what I've been saying...you don't know had badly I want Todd to prove me wrong this season.
 
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The inability to either connect on the long ball, or keep it out of the hands of the opponents DBs first showed up at Purdue. The problem is either: a) Boeckman can't throw it, b) his receivers can't get the seperation needed or c) the coaching staff insisted on calling the play despite either a, b or a & b. That showed up in all games after Purdue too and especially in the Illinois game.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;1181340; said:
Exactly what I've been saying...you don't know had badly I want Todd to prove me wrong this season.
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Yes we do...we ALL want that because our National Championship hopes probably ride on it.

As I've said all along, I share your concerns as they are a virtual mirror of mine, but I hold out strong hope that confidence will grow from last year and our improved weapons will aid in that.
 
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As I view the team more and more, I can't seem to help but draw comparison's to 2006 Florida.

A soon-to be senior that doesn't have every confidence and can be inconsistent, an amazing defense, then the incoming freshman QB who is dubbed as the savior.

maybe thats just me?
 
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One thing about the '07 offense, it seemed the coaches clung to a very vanilla playbook, probably due to the lack of experience. I assume that they only called plays they had the most confidence in. Coming out of fall camp, the most repeated quote about TB was that he threw a great deep ball. That rang true in the number of deep routes called throughout the season. I'm sure opposing DCs caught on to that and adjusted. As I said before, TB looked much improved throwing short/intermediate passes in the spring game. I'm sure that's something he and the coaches have been focusing on. Hartline, Nicol, and Ballard certainly give him nice targets in that range. Let's not forget that Beanie had a huge problem holding on to the football in his first year. He overcame it, and I'm sure Boecks will overcome his weak points.
 
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