2008 Heisman Trophy Discussion

[generaladm]

I just don't get the disrespect that Bradford is getting here. Every game I've seen of his, I have been in awe of the touch he shows on every pass. Regardless of the opponent, Bradford manages to make throw after throw. He is one of he most impressive QBs I have seen in years. From what I've seen, he can make nearly any pass that can be asked of a QB, whether college or pro. Fades, posts, slants, you name it, he can put it on the money. Early in the season, against UC, who has a good secondary, I watched him make beautiful passes that I knew the second they left his hand were dead on, and then saw the WRs make the catch right in stride. I thought he was the best QB in the country early on, and I think he was the obvious choice for the Heisman. I respect everyone else's opinion, but taking into account his numbers last year as a first year starter, and his amazing numbers this year, I think he is a special player.

 

[3074326]

I just don't get the disrespect that Bradford is getting here. Every game I've seen of his, I have been in awe of the touch he shows on every pass. Regardless of the opponent, Bradford manages to make throw after throw. He is one of he most impressive QBs I have seen in years. From what I've seen, he can make nearly any pass that can be asked of a QB, whether college or pro. Fades, posts, slants, you name it, he can put it on the money. Early in the season, against UC, who has a good secondary, I watched him make beautiful passes that I knew the second they left his hand were dead on, and then saw the WRs make the catch right in stride. I thought he was the best QB in the country early on, and I think he was the obvious choice for the Heisman. I respect everyone else's opinion, but taking into account his numbers last year as a first year starter, and his amazing numbers this year, I think he is a special player.

I agree, and I don't understand why it seems that some have a personal grudge against Sam. Can't blame him for accepting the damn award.

Congrats to Sam, I would've voted for McCoy, but that doesn't mean Sam didn't have a great year. He's a good QB, and he seems like a good kid.

 

[fourteenandoh]

he's good, but he seems to live off the guys around him. that obv doesn't make him unworhty, but i think tebow and mccoy are able to create things by themselves. fact of the matter is it doesn't matter. congrats sam.

 

[generaladm]

he's good, but he seems to live off the guys around him. that obv doesn't make him unworhty, but i think tebow and mccoy are able to create things by themselves. fact of the matter is it doesn't matter. congrats sam.

Bradford did have a good supporting cast (I thought his TE was very underrated). But, how many Heisman winners haven't had that? I thought McCoy would have been a good choice as well, although SB is obviously the superior passer. Tebow was undone by his ridiculous stats last year, those numbers may ever be equaled (although I still think he's overrated, he will not make it in the NFL). QB bias aside, I thought Crabtree might have been the best athlete in the country this year. He's got crazy hands and concentration, plus he's got enough strength that no college DBs can tackle him (which for a WR is all you need). He should be a star in the NFL, even if he goes to a crappy team.

 

[fourteenandoh]

Bradford did have a good supporting cast (I thought his TE was very underrated). But, how many Heisman winners haven't had that? I thought McCoy would have been a good choice as well, although SB is obviously the superior passer. Tebow was undone by his ridiculous stats last year, those numbers may ever be equaled (although I still think he's overrated, he will not make it in the NFL). QB bias aside, I thought Crabtree might have been the best athlete in the country this year. He's got crazy hands and concentration, plus he's got enough strength that no college DBs can tackle him (which for a WR is all you need). He should be a star in the NFL, even if he goes to a crappy team.

got into an argument with friends earlier i don't think a reciever will ever win a heisman because he needs a qb to get him the ball maybe he can do kick returns and play defense which could help, but they won't win it on offense alone

btw, i don't speak english anymore

 

[generaladm]

got into an argument with friends earlier i don't think a reciever will ever win a heisman because he needs a qb to get him the ball maybe he can do kick returns and play defense which could help, but they won't win it on offense alone

btw, i don't speak english anymore

Yeah, you need to put up some serious numbers to even get consideration (unless you play for scUM, who accounted for the last two "WR"s who won, the only two in the last 26 years, bullshit). I was listening to a Heisman historian on the radio who said that the proliferation of spread offenses makes it nearly impossible for anyone other than a QB to win. He also said that trend run in cycles, citing the RB dominance of the 70's. But, it has been hard for positions other than QB or RB to win throughout history. I'm still waiting for a defensive player or an OL to win (preferably for OSU).

 

[fourteenandoh]

Yeah, you need to put up some serious numbers to even get consideration (unless you play for scUM, who accounted for the last two "WR"s who won, the only two in the last 26 years, bull[censored]). I was listening to a Heisman historian on the radio who said that the proliferation of spread offenses makes it nearly impossible for anyone other than a QB to win. He also said that trend run in cycles, citing the RB dominance of the 70's. But, it has been hard for positions other than QB or RB to win throughout history. I'm still waiting for a defensive player or an OL to win (preferably for OSU).

i dont get paid to talk college football but it sounds like i should. this is the era of the qb no doubt. like the guy says though, that will change. it may come full circle to where we get back to 3yacod and it will be all about the rb's. who knows... last season i got into it with desmond howard on his blog during gameday and i told him that the heisman is a farce because it doesn't go to the best player in cfb, it goes to the most flashy offensive player on the best team in the country. he actually took offense to that and said dorsey would get some serious consideration. well this was about 6 games into the season, and we all know he didn't even get invited even though he probably was the best cfb player around. even the heisman guys want an OL or DL guy to win it, but i just don't see it happening right now.

 

[EidoloN]

The Heisman is for the best college football player, i do not believe Sam Bradford is the best college football player, I believe Tim Tebow is. There are plenty QB's that can throw the ball to receivers in a spread offense, or keep running the score up to pad the stats. What TT does for his team, his leadership and the things people don't see, is what makes him the best college football player. I don't agree with stats all the time, sure, they can be impressive, but they don't have to mean everything.

 

[PrincetonBuckeye]

The Heisman is for the best college football player, i do not believe Sam Bradford is the best college football player, I believe Tim Tebow is. There are plenty QB's that can throw the ball to receivers in a spread offense, or keep running the score up to pad the stats. What TT does for his team, his leadership and the things people don't see, is what makes him the best college football player. I don't agree with stats all the time, sure, they can be impressive, but they don't have to mean everything.

But the best college player should be the best at his position also. You cannot convince me that "Teabag" is a good passer. He looks like he is throwing the shotput when he throws. Yes he only had 2 INTs but he only throws the ball 10 yards at a time. He is an option QB at best. Leadership matters but every team has their leader on the field.....Whether it is McCoy (UT), Wells (tOSU), Daniel (Mizzou) or even Harrell (Texas Tech)....

 

[cincibuck]

The Heisman is for the best college football player, i do not believe Sam Bradford is the best college football player, I believe Tim Tebow is. There are plenty QB's that can throw the ball to receivers in a spread offense, or keep running the score up to pad the stats. What TT does for his team, his leadership and the things people don't see, is what makes him the best college football player. I don't agree with stats all the time, sure, they can be impressive, but they don't have to mean everything.

By that logic we're back to Colt McCoy whose numbers in running and passing were better than Tebow's and in the same territory that garnered Tebow the award last year... on a team that won fewer games.

I'm amazed that Bradford was able to win considering that there were 4 potential Heisman candidates from the Big 12 near the end of the season, none from the West Coast, Big East, and ACC and two running backs from the Big 10 who never received any significant props.

I was worried that the vote would be so fractured between Harrell, Crabtree, McCoy, Tebow and Bradford that we'd end up with Pickle Claussen as the winner. Holy Paul Horning!

 

[BUCKYLE]

The only TWO-TIME Heisman winner...and owner of some crazy ass facial hair back in the day...

 

[Mike80]

Respectfully disagree. If TP had a season where he threw for 28 TDs vs. 2 INTs and ran for another 12 TD's, then led us to a come from behind win against a #1 ranked scUM team to clinch a spot in the BCSNCG, people would throw a hissy-fit if he wasn't there.

I hate the non-stop Tebow verbal fellating as much as anyone, it's by far the worst I've ever seen, but I cannot deny the kid is great, great college player. If TP was running around firing up his defense and ST's like he (Tebow) was against 'Bama, we'd be tripping over ourselves with praise. Honestly, seeing him this year and hearing some of his words, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see TP do it in the future.

If I had a vote, he (Tebow) would've had mine. Florida is nothing without him. A very strong case could be made for Colt, as I don't think that's a very good Longhorn team without him. I think Bradford blinded people with his sexy numbers, I'm not sold he's not just a system QB that feasted on mediocre to very bad defenses.

That's where I disagree. I'm not saying Tebow isn't a great player and certainly Florida probably doesn't win the SEC without him, but they still have playmakers on offense and their defense was likely the best in the SEC even though the SEC is a tad bit overrated this year.

I personally would have voted for Colt - Texas wins maybe 7 games without him. But I don't have any problems with Bradford winning - certainly not to the extent that Mr. Danielson had in his post above

 

[Mike80]

Gotta love jealous OSU fans that can't stand that Tim T has got his ring.

Comical.

jealous? Of you being on Tebow's nuts?

Not a chance.

 

[Brutus1]

Who the hell cares if Tebow won't be a good NFL qb? He's a great college qb, as are the other two. Tebow lost it because he already won it last year. That, and losing to Ole Miss. His numbers, while good, were being compared to last years. Those three things put him outt of the running.

The Heisman usually goes to the guy with the best numbers AND plays on a great team or the best player (qb or rb) on the best team.

I've got not problem if any of the three won it. There was a case to be made for each player.

My only beef is that at the very least, Graham Harrell should have been invited. That was bullshit.

Let Bradford take the Heisman. I'm sure Tebow will glady take the Crystal Trophy.

 

[BB73]

Uh except McCoy did more with less at Texas. Bradford is a piece of [censored] that just sits in the pocket, drops bombs over crappy teams in the final seconds, and loses to the rival, which happened to have been led by McCoy. He's going to get his a## beat good by Florida, and deservingly so.

It was late on a Saturday night, and perhaps that explains the nature of this post. But calling Bradford names, when there's no reason that I know of to do so, simply detracts from your support of McCoy, and degrades the level of the discussion.