2008 Heisman Trophy Discussion

[powerlifter]

think tebow is probably the best football player of the 3 but i'm kind of glad he didn't win it. don't think i could handle another sermon from the bible beater. on the other hand, it's a shame to see a player get rewarded for putting up big numbers in the new WAC.

The new WAC?

 

[billmac91]

...er, he set a record for the most TD passes over 50 yards...

what QB in the country had the most YAC yards?

BTW, I still have zero problem with Sam winning the Heisman.

 

[powerlifter]

what QB in the country had the most YAC yards?

BTW, I still have zero problem with Sam winning the Heisman.

So are you trying to discredit him by saying his receivers did more work then any other receiving corp in the nation or that he must have threw some really good passes once in awhile to have guys score that often on long passes after catch? I highly doubt every pass was a vertical route and they just blew everyone away. Not everyone can make an accurate pass that often for guys to get those YAC yards.

Jesus Christ(not tebow or bradford or McCoy for future quoting posts) could have won the heisman and there would be 20 posts talking about how Moses had a better year,because he walked on water.Not only that,but how deep the water was,and the conditions he was facing/location of the water walking experience,and how the bcs is trying to fuck him over.

 

[powerlifter]

The name calling was perhaps going a little too far, but I'm not going to respect the player or the coach or the program that drop hail marys in the final seconds when they are up by a gzillion It's simply garbage. And for these Heisman voters to cast their ballots based on staggering numbers without taking a look at where these numbers came from is simply laziness and ignorance(I have no doubt you have more personal experience in heisman voting,then any of the members that have voted countless times year after year.Also the criteria for judging a player should be swayed by what the popular vote thinks,instead of a former heisman winner with on-field experience. You would think winning the heisman would entitle to your own opinion on the matter..). I thought Heismans were supposed to make Heisman plays("Heisman plays is a pretty broad term isn't it? Are voters supposed to keep a notepad while watching the game,and make notes of heisman worthy plays,that might not be heisman worthy plays according to another voter), yet I can't think of one clutch play that Bradford has made in adversity(So you obviously seen every game they played this year. Even games that were scheduled at the same time as OSU.. I'll say this again, if we choose to ignore the lack of "Heisman" moments, or losing the big game to your arch rival, and base almost everything on garbage time stats(=all touchdowns bradford threw,even though once again you can refer to the Texas Oklahoma game and look at the stats from Oklahoma LOSING), then the guy at Texas Tech should win it every single year. (See Below,that comment is hilarious)



Exactly. If you want to know who's really getting disrespected, talk to McCoy and UT, who are sitting at home despite beating the team who's going to the title game and has the same record.Or Harrell getting screwed,and not bumping McCoy out of the top 3, because he drove down late in the game and beat Texas(450 yards +),since that is a major part of your discussion(leadership,although everyone mentioned in this discussion has lost 1 game)

Once again....Just for you


October 11
Colt McCoy
McCoy28/35 277 yards 1td 0int

Bradford28/39 387 yards 5tds 2ints

If Bradford would have stopped Colt's passing,by playing DB in the fourth quarter,then he could have done a little more that game.

Random facts...Keep in mind Bradford has done great things since day 1.

In his first game for the Sooners, against the University of North Texas, Bradford completed 21 of 23 attempts for 363 yards and three touchdowns in a little over two quarters, breaking the school record for passing yards in a half, held by Josh Heupel, with 350.[3] The very next game, Bradford broke Heisman Trophy winner Jason White's school record for most consecutive pass completions with 22 (18 came in the first half and four at the start of the second)

Sam Bradford - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[cincibuck]

The new WAC?

Wow, this thread has taken some strange turns. Just food for thought, the Big 12 was 34 and 10 in OOC games this year. The Big 10 went 29 - 11 and while no one in the Big 12 was playing the likes of USC in that stretch, it sure sounds to me like nothing less than parity. For every game the Big 12 played against Northwestern State, Chattanoga, or Louisianna - LaFayette there was a Big 10 game against Youngstown State, Cal - Poly or North Dakota.

If their ability to play defense was not proven in the OOC season, it will show up in the bowl games as will the quality of their offenses when faced with presumed good defenses.

The stats accumulated by QBs and receivers at Kansas, Mizzou, T Tech, Texas, and Oklahoma are simply not matched by any other major conference. Maybe before we start casting aspersions at Big 12 defenses we should look at the possibility that no other conference has accumulated and developed so much talent at those positions.

Given the performance of the top two teams of the Big 10 in the last two bowl seasons, (OSU - Mich, OSU - ILL) I would suggest that walking softly might be called for.

 

[powerlifter]

Wow, this thread has taken some strange turns. Just food for thought, the Big 12 was 34 and 10 in OOC games this year. The Big 10 went 29 - 11 and while no one in the Big 12 was playing the likes of USC in that stretch, it sure sounds to me like nothing less than parity. For every game the Big 12 played against Northwestern State, Chattanoga, or Louisianna - LaFayette there was a Big 10 game against Youngstown State, Cal - Poly or North Dakota.

If their ability to play defense was not proven in the OOC season, it will show up in the bowl games as will the quality of their offenses when faced with presumed good defenses.

The stats accumulated by QBs and receivers at Kansas, Mizzou, T Tech, Texas, and Oklahoma are simply not matched by any other major conference. Maybe before we start casting aspersions at Big 12 defenses we should look at the possibility that no other conference has accumulated and developed so much talent at those positions.

Given the performance of the top two teams of the Big 10 in the last two bowl seasons, (OSU - Mich, OSU - ILL) I would suggest that walking softly might be called for.

I totally agree.

 

[Muck]

We wer robbid agin!

[/tennesse fan]

 

[BUCKYLE]

...it sure sounds to me like nothing less than parity.

The stats accumulated by QBs and receivers at Kansas, Mizzou, T Tech, Texas, and Oklahoma are simply not matched by any other major conference. Maybe before we start casting aspersions at Big 12 defenses we should look at the possibility that no other conference has accumulated and developed so much talent at those positions.

So which is it? Is it parity...or is it the B12's skill position players are SOOOOOO much better than the rest of the country's?

 

[sandgk]

My opinion.

Tebow didn't do enough this year to be in the frame.

No Buckeye did enough to be in the frame this year.

McCoy, Bradford, and Harrell all played against some pretty weak Big 12 defenses but McCoy and Bradford deserved to be in the frame.

I would have voted for McCoy over Bradford and both of them over Tebow.



However, given that no Buckeye won or deserved to win and was deprived of the award, I can't imagine why Buckeye fans are arguing over the award.

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[billmac91]

So are you trying to discredit him by saying his receivers did more work then any other receiving corp in the nation or that he must have threw some really good passes once in awhile to have guys score that often on long passes after catch? I highly doubt every pass was a vertical route and they just blew everyone away. Not everyone can make an accurate pass that often for guys to get those YAC yards.

Jesus Christ(not tebow or bradford or McCoy for future quoting posts) could have won the heisman and there would be 20 posts talking about how Moses had a better year,because he walked on water.Not only that,but how deep the water was,and the conditions he was facing/location of the water walking experience,and how the bcs is trying to [censored] him over.

I wasn't discrediting anything. Someone has to be the trigger-man in that offense, and Bradford did a masterful job of it.

I was simply pointing out, Bradford had more than a handful of long Touchdown throws, that were on slants, screens to Murray, and just busted coverage in general.

They have weapons all over the field, and Bradford did an amazing job of finding the soft spots. Lots of times, those soft spots turned into HUGE gains on short throws...

so be it.

Congrats to Sam.....seems like a good kid.

 

[powerlifter]

So which is it? Is it parity...or is it the B12's skill position players are SOOOOOO much better than the rest of the country's?

I'm curious to know if Texas has a big game against OSU does that change anyone's perspective on the Big 12? There is obvious evidence that there are some serious offenses in the Big 12,but most people's rebuttal is that the defenses they face are weak. There is no real evidence to support the big 12 defense is weak other then speculation,because of how many points good offenses are putting up.

 

[BUCKYLE]

I'm curious to know if Texas has a big game against OSU does that change anyone's perspective on the Big 12? There is obvious evidence that there are some serious offenses in the Big 12,but most people's rebuttal is that the defenses they face are weak. There is no real evidence to support the big 12 defense is weak other then speculation,because of how many points good offenses are putting up.

So...the big twelve having shit for defenses is all speculative...but their offenses being teh roxors!!1!! is fact? This contradiction kills me.

 

[powerlifter]

So...the big twelve having shit for defenses is all speculative...but their offenses being teh roxors!!1!! is fact? This contradiction kills me.

Yea,and ohio state will shut Texas out,since it's the first time seeing a "real defense". I'm having a hard time finding that option on sportsbookie right now oddly enough. They are all favoring Texas oddly enough.

How many conferences have had bad defenses in the past 10 years? More then a couple right?...How many times do you see this many high scoring offenses in one MAJOR conference in the past ten years? Show me something other then personal feelings that back your statement up. Be sure to post Big Ten schools so we can have some comparison please..Thanks

 

[BUCKYLE]

Yea,and ohio state will shut Texas out,since it's the first time seeing a "real defense". I'm having a hard time finding that option on sportsbookie.

How many conferences have had bad defenses in the past 10 years? More then a couple right?...How many times do you see this many high scoring offenses in one MAJOR conference in the past ten years? I suppose Pryor should have won the heisman over Bradford as well.

Where have I ever said any of that?

 

[Sportsbuck28]

There is no real evidence to support the big 12 defense is weak other then speculation,because of how many points good offenses are putting up.

What about every defensive statistical category ranking outside of Texas' defense?

I realize that we are pretty much debating a question that can't be answered until the bowls are done and it is seen how they match up against OOC teams and such, but you believe it has more to do with the stockpile of offensive talent than the lack of defensive talent, correct?