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2007 TSUN News

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SNIPER26;897760; said:
Ginn is awful technically. His massive route-running knowledge (fly, deep post, end around, bubble screen) needs A LOT of work.

Manningham missed 4 games and played sparingly in another, and had 38 catches, 703 yards and 9 touchdowns, averaging 18.5 ypc. Ginn played in every game except the Florida game (well you know what I mean) and had 59 catches, 781 yards, 13.2 ypc and 9 touchdowns. So Manningham scored the same amount of TDs in 4 less games and averaged 5.3 ypc more than Ginn. How does that make him less explosive or dynamic? If Ginn produced at an elite level as a receiver than Manningham was Biletnikoff-esque because he was better in a more conservative offense. Ginn was very good as a WR in college, but not an elite. Calvin Johnson and Dwayne Jarrett were "elite" college receivers.
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Ginn wasn't awful. He was raw his first year, year and a half. But he improved a lot at route running his junior year.

I guess I should have said Ginn is an elite player who is a receiver.

Going back to the original point, I don't think you can compare Ohio State's WR last year to Michigan's this year. I don't think it's all that close really.
 
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Napoleonbuck;897766; said:
Ginn wasn't awful. He was raw his first year, year and a half. But he improved a lot at route running his junior year.

I guess I should have said Ginn is an elite player who is a receiver.

Going back to the original point, I don't think you can compare Ohio State's WR last year to Michigan's this year. I don't think it's all that close really.
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From a receiving POV, I think you can. As I alluded to earlier, Manningham arguably outperformed Ginn as a receiver last year (already gave you the stats for that one)

Arrington 40/544/8 as a low 2/high 3 option
Mathews is just a bunch of potential, having played sparingly behind MM, Breaston and Arrington.

Gonzalez had 51/734/8. You don't think Arrington will at least hit those numbers being a clear cut #2 option and picking up a lot of underneath yards? Gonzalez only beat him by 11 catches and 190 yards while being thrown to more.

I'm not trying to be a UM homer, just asking you guys and pointing out my POV with stats.
 
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Michigan's top 5 wide receivers had(Rec/YDS/TD):

38/703/9
58/670/2
40/544/8
7/68/0(Matthews)
1/2/0(Tabb)

For a total of 144/1987/19

Ohio State's wide receivers in comparison had:

59/781/9
51/734/8
29/383/5
17/256/2
13/147/2

This is a total of 169/2301/26

I really don't see how you can say they're comparable. The yards per catch are about identical, but Ohio State has better stats up and down the roster. Michigan will need a viable third receiver to emerge(or rely on the TE to fill that gap).
 
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Napoleonbuck;897787; said:
Michigan's top 5 wide receivers had(Rec/YDS/TD):

38/703/9
58/670/2
40/544/8
7/68/0(Matthews)
1/2/0(Tabb)

For a total of 144/1987/19

Ohio State's wide receivers in comparison had:

59/781/9
51/734/8
29/383/5
17/256/2
13/147/2

This is a total of 169/2301/26

I really don't see how you can say they're comparable. The yards per catch are about identical, but Ohio State has better stats up and down the roster. Michigan will need a viable third receiver to emerge(or rely on the TE to fill that gap).
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I was only looking at the top 3 considering the 4's and 5's don't play much (well they don't with us as Lloyd prefers having another TE in there instead). I think it would be fair to say OSU had more 4 and 5 wideout looks than Michigan did. Your post was excellent though and well-researched. I'm thinking our top 3 wideouts should be very good though. Mathews showed some potential last year when he played.
 
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OSUsushichic;897797; said:
Sniper, your receivers need to stay out of trouble before any of your argument can be valid. :wink:
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Haha that is correct my man. I'll let Manningham slide for smoking weed because I'd be willing to bet quite a few players do it, but Adrian, you can't beat your girlfriend :wink: Though I'm not going to lie I was very impressed he actually ran the steps at Michigan Stadium for 60 days straight at 6 a.m
 
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Buckeye86;897763; said:
Edit: after looking at the stats side by side... I think you have a better point than most Buckeye fans would admit. There isn't a significant difference between the receiving numbers on both teams.
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The biggest difference is really the degree to which Troy threw it around. Part of that is due to Ginn opening up things for the second or third, or fourth receiver.

That said, it is true that Manningham's absence had to impact his statistical output. What is surpising is the relatively poor performance by Breaston in scoring, given his 2nd on team receiving totals.
 
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SNIPER26;897803; said:
Haha that is correct my man. I'll let Manningham slide for smoking weed because I'd be willing to bet quite a few players do it, but Adrian, you can't beat your girlfriend :wink: Though I'm not going to lie I was very impressed he actually ran the steps at Michigan Stadium for 60 days straight at 6 a.m
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Right on, girlfriend. :biggrin:
 
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Like I said, Michigan's Tight Ends get more balls thrown to them while we used the fourth and fifth wide receiver more often. That's why I think Michigan's TEs will easily outproduce Nicol. However, that means our receivers easily out produce Michigan's(especially in the fourth and fifth spot).

It's just differing philosophies.
 
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Do you think Tressel might simplify the offense and use more TE sets for the new QB? It's easier to use 4 and 5 wideouts with Troy Smith, a proven QB chuckin' it. It's probably more favorable to Boeckman to use TE to shorten the passes and create more of a possession style (Tresselball)
 
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We've been using a lot of receivers for a while now, both in games and in practice. I'd guess that all the quarterbacks are used to checking for five receivers by now. Todd would have practiced all of last year and the year before with 3/4/5 wide receivers. If anything, using the Tight End more would make it more difficult for him since it's something we don't do much.
 
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SNIPER26;897824; said:
Do you think Tressel might simplify the offense and use more TE sets for the new QB? It's easier to use 4 and 5 wideouts with Troy Smith, a proven QB chuckin' it. It's probably more favorable to Boeckman to use TE to shorten the passes and create more of a possession style (Tresselball)
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Tressel said that he's going to try to get Rory Nicol the ball more this year because he has incredible hands... at any rate, that would certainly make sense from a fundamental gameplan point of view anyway. we have a green QB and a 250 pound STUD at RB... we're going to be in the I a whole lot more this year than last.
 
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