2007 TSUN News

[sandgk]

Your offense will be good enough. Your running game will be outstanding and your receivers, while a work in progress, will still be good. This isn't Vanderbilt we're talking about where if you lose a playmaker, you're screwed. Last I checked Ohio State is pretty good at reloading. Troy Smith was some anonymous 3 star ATH coming in and left with a Heisman. I think you'll be just fine. Not fine enough to beat Michigan I hope, but fine enough to kick the shit out of PSU and beat Wisconsin.

Troy Smith was one of two Elite 11 QBs recruited that same year - the other, Zwick got beaten out by him. Both were 4* rated players by Scout at the QB position.

 

[SNIPER26]

Troy Smith was one of two Elite 11 QBs recruited that same year - the other, Zwick got beaten out by him. Both were 4* rated players by Scout at the QB position.

I put as much weight into Scout's rankings as Charlie Weis spends time on a treadmill. I prefer Rivals myself, and that's what I went with. Sorry. I believe Zwick was a 5 star and supposed to be the savior. Instead, Troy came in.

 

[NYCBuckeye 2000]

I remember seeing the front page of the Dispatch sports section ( when he committed) with a huge picture of Zwick and how he was the first big QB commitment tOSU had in over 20 years, along with all his accolades detailed in a couple of articles.. I can't remember the last time a recruit had the whole front page of the Dispatch's sport section... Anyone???

 

[BearBuck27]

I remember seeing the front page of the Dispatch sports section ( when he committed) with a huge picture of Zwick and how he was the first big QB commitment tOSU had in over 20 years, along with all his accolades detailed in a couple of articles.. I can't remember the last time a recruit had the whole front page of the Dispatch's sport section... Anyone???

Hopefully there's another QB in February that gets the same front page.

 

[sandgk]

I put as much weight into Scout's rankings as Charlie Weis spends time on a treadmill. I prefer Rivals myself, and that's what I went with. Sorry. I believe Zwick was a 5 star and supposed to be the savior. Instead, Troy came in.

Believe what you wish. An Elite 11 QB is not simply an anonymous athlete.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

What's this?

A Michigan fan on an OSU board, hi-jacking the Michigan thread with OSU discussion.

I think my head just exploded. :p

 

[SNIPER26]

Believe what you wish. An Elite 11 QB is not simply an anonymous athlete.

Compared to the hype Zwick got, Smith was an anonymous athlete. He toiled around at RB/KR for the first two years and didn't do much and appeared to be headed nowhere. John Weinke is an Elite 11 QB for Michigan this year and a 3 star. You think he'll ever play while Mallett is here?

Moving along, how good do you think the Michigan offense will be this year? Obviously we've got 4 year starters with Hart and Henne, along with Jake Long and three really good receivers plus the young guys. Throw in Carson Butler who looks like he will play and hopefully not jump offside 14 times per game, I think this team could be very similar to the OSU offense last year.

 

[sandgk]

Weinke playing or not playing while Mallett is on roster is neither here nor there. Once Henne is gone, should Mallett go down injured, who do you think will get under center? You know of him, he was the subject of discussion here before and after his recruitment - thus he, like Troy Smith, did not come in as an anonymous anything (athelete or QB). You wish to call Smith less highly hyped than Zwick, that I will certainly agree with. But to describe Troy as some anonymous athlete overstates the matter completely.


As for TSUN's offense this year, it'll be good. That won't be where your problems arise though.

 

[Napoleonbuck]

I don't think Michigan's wide receivers are as good as Ohio State's was last year, and I don't think Henne is near as good as Troy. The running games should be comparable, and Michigan should have the better TE. Olines are probably a wash.

I'd give a moderate edge to Ohio State last year simply because of Troy. Henne needs to exhibit the leadership and confidence that Troy did.

Another factor would be play calling. I don't think Michigan's offensive coaches are as willing to open things up as Ohio State's coaches were.

 

[SNIPER26]

Weinke playing or not playing while Mallett is on roster is neither here nor there. Once Henne is gone, should Mallett go down injured, who do you think will get under center? You know of him, he was the subject of discussion here before and after his recruitment - thus he, like Troy Smith, did not come in as an anonymous anything (athelete or QB). You wish to call Smith less highly hyped than Zwick, that I will certainly agree with. But to describe Troy as some anonymous athlete overstates the matter completely.


As for TSUN's offense this year, it'll be good. That won't be where your problems arise though.

Either Weinke or Steven Threet would go under center.

 

[SNIPER26]

I don't think Michigan's wide receivers are as good as Ohio State's was last year, and I don't think Henne is near as good as Troy. The running games should be comparable, and Michigan should have the better TE. Olines are probably a wash.

I'd give a moderate edge to Ohio State last year simply because of Troy. Henne needs to exhibit the leadership and confidence that Troy did.

Another factor would be play calling. I don't think Michigan's offensive coaches are as willing to open things up as Ohio State's coaches were.

Well, look at it this way. Manningham is a better RECEIVER than Ginn is/was and a comparable big play threat. Gonzalez is better than Arrington but Arrington started coming into his own at the end of the year, and Mathews would be a wash with Robiskie. Throw in freshmen that could play early (Hemingway, Clemons, Webb) and they could be better.

But you're dead-on about the playcalling. Maybe this is the year Lloyd opens up the playbook with the talent he's got at WR.

 

[Napoleonbuck]

You're selling Ginn short. He's a fantastic receiver. Manningham isn't near as explosive or dynamic as Ginn, but he's a little better technically(not way better). Ginn produced at an elite level though.

 

[Big Papa]

You're selling Ginn short. He's a fantastic receiver. Manningham isn't near as explosive or dynamic as Ginn, but he's a little better technically(not way better). Ginn produced at an elite level though.

Well said Napoleonbuck. You can't really compare these guys, just because they play the position differently. Manningham may be more in the mold of a typical WR, but he does not possess the skills that Teddy had to make any play where he touched the ball a game breaker. And it's also true that until Manningham produces big on the big stage, he will always be looking up at guys like Ginn.

 

[SNIPER26]

You're selling Ginn short. He's a fantastic receiver. Manningham isn't near as explosive or dynamic as Ginn, but he's a little better technically(not way better). Ginn produced at an elite level though.

Ginn is awful technically. His massive route-running knowledge (fly, deep post, end around, bubble screen) needs A LOT of work.

Manningham missed 4 games and played sparingly in another, and had 38 catches, 703 yards and 9 touchdowns, averaging 18.5 ypc. Ginn played in every game except the Florida game (well you know what I mean) and had 59 catches, 781 yards, 13.2 ypc and 9 touchdowns. So Manningham scored the same amount of TDs in 4 less games and averaged 5.3 ypc more than Ginn. How does that make him less explosive or dynamic? If Ginn produced at an elite level as a receiver than Manningham was Biletnikoff-esque because he was better in a more conservative offense. Ginn was very good as a WR in college, but not an elite. Calvin Johnson and Dwayne Jarrett were "elite" college receivers.

 

[Buckeye86]

Ginn is awful technically. His massive route-running knowledge (fly, deep post, end around, bubble screen) needs A LOT of work.

Manningham missed 4 games and played sparingly in another, and had 38 catches, 703 yards and 9 touchdowns, averaging 18.5 ypc. Ginn played in every game except the Florida game (well you know what I mean) and had 59 catches, 781 yards, 13.2 ypc and 9 touchdowns. So Manningham scored the same amount of TDs in 4 less games and averaged 5.3 ypc more than Ginn. How does that make him less explosive or dynamic? If Ginn produced at an elite level as a receiver than Manningham was Biletnikoff-esque because he was better in a more conservative offense. Ginn was very good as a WR in college, but not an elite. Calvin Johnson and Dwayne Jarrett were "elite" college receivers.

You have to look at Ginn's impact on the way a defense prepared, give me a minute and I will find the stats for all the receivers on each team and I think then Ginn's true impact on a game will be seen.

Edit: after looking at the stats side by side... I think you have a better point than most Buckeye fans would admit. There isn't a significant difference between the receiving numbers on both teams.