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Buckskin86;1116968; said:
This guy doesnt have many friends in AA does he??
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This guy doesnt have many friends in AA does he??
Wow. I have to say that was much more than I expected. The quotes from the former and current players are pretty damning.
However, before we start pointing fingers, there is a level of this assistance for athletes at every school...there has to be to make the schedule work. As much as there are professors to cling to...there are profs to avoid. For most student-athletes, their experience is spent with the profs in-between those two extremes.
I brought this up when RR was first hired...Brad sat behind Marc Bulger for his first two years and then took over for Nehlen's last season and was MVP of the Music City Bowl. When RR got there, he made it known that Lewis was not his type of QB...but he tailored the offense around him while slowly adding packages for the athletic QB (Marshall maybe?)
However, before we start pointing fingers, there is a level of this assistance for athletes at every school...there has to be to make the schedule work. As much as there are professors to cling to...there are profs to avoid. For most student-athletes, their experience is spent with the profs in-between those two extremes.
three7;1115068; said:
I brought this up when RR was first hired...Brad sat behind Marc Bulger for his first two years and then took over for Nehlen's last season and was MVP of the Music City Bowl. When RR got there, he made it known that Lewis was not his type of QB...but he tailored the offense around him while slowly adding packages for the athletic QB (Marshall maybe?)
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This seems like the most obvious sign of academic inpropriety:
They added classes after 70% of the semester has gone by, for independent study with a professor who gave favorable grades to athletes, according to other numbers quoted in the article.
I'd say that TSUN's supposed ranking as the #1 psychology department in the country could be jeopardized.
They added classes after 70% of the semester has gone by, for independent study with a professor who gave favorable grades to athletes, according to other numbers quoted in the article.
I'd say that TSUN's supposed ranking as the #1 psychology department in the country could be jeopardized.
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What term was that traitorous piece of trash Mandich throwing around in the HBO special on The Game?
Schadenfreude?
Schadenfreude?
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buckeyes_rock
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osugrad21;1116974; said:
Wow, is right. I will say that as a college athlete, there were always courses/professors that you knew to stay away from...either by word of mouth from other athletes, or from advisors. But this wasn't because they were hard courses...it was mainly because they required attendence (which is impossible to do 100% of the time when you're in season).
As for steering athletes to a certain course, I don't see anything wrong really with an advisor saying to a struggling student-athlete, "Hey you should take Intro to XYZ." That's the students perogative to either take it or not. But when these guys are saying that an advisor actually enrolled them and said, "Take this." That's not right.
As far as the course goes. The independent course that these kids are taking sounds like college study skills and time management. Which when I was a student was mandatory for freshman, worth only 1-2 credits (can't remember), and you didn't get a grade for it. Giving a kid 4 hours of A for a study skills class, in my opinion, is not right.
Anyway, this article certainly raises some questions. But it sounds like most of the faculty is doing the right thing. Looks on the outside like just one prof who's too lenient. Doesn't appear to be too bad of a scandal, so to speak. Just my opinion as always.
On a side note...dang, I can't believe this is a Michigan reporter trying to uncover this junk. He better run for cover!
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MONTbigBuck
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The whole time I was reading the piece, I kept thinking to myself this sounds just Like the Auburn situation. It was interesting to see late in the article that others came to the same conclusion.
One of the parameters is assessing impropriety is the principle of compansation for performance provided. Recieving 4 hours of credit for one-half hour per week of academic work is an obvious distortion in this ratio. In principle, this is no different that what happened with Rhett Bomar and OK. What gave that scenario the appearance of impropriety was not that Bomar was being paid $25 an hour to wash cars at the dealership, but that he was getting paid for working the full week when in actually he had only been there 2-3 hours. Compensation paid that is grossly imbalanced with the performance provided is a flashing red light to impropriety. We all know how that one turned out. In the Michigan situation obviously no money is changing hands, but to give academic credit toward a degree that has not been rightfully worked for is equally improper. A degree that in the real world does have real financial value. And oh by the way, the football team kept a bunch of borderline players eligible for another season. If Carty has reported it straight, the Harvard of the west just might get their nose in the air face bloodied a bit.
One of the parameters is assessing impropriety is the principle of compansation for performance provided. Recieving 4 hours of credit for one-half hour per week of academic work is an obvious distortion in this ratio. In principle, this is no different that what happened with Rhett Bomar and OK. What gave that scenario the appearance of impropriety was not that Bomar was being paid $25 an hour to wash cars at the dealership, but that he was getting paid for working the full week when in actually he had only been there 2-3 hours. Compensation paid that is grossly imbalanced with the performance provided is a flashing red light to impropriety. We all know how that one turned out. In the Michigan situation obviously no money is changing hands, but to give academic credit toward a degree that has not been rightfully worked for is equally improper. A degree that in the real world does have real financial value. And oh by the way, the football team kept a bunch of borderline players eligible for another season. If Carty has reported it straight, the Harvard of the west just might get their nose in the air face bloodied a bit.
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buckeyes_rock
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What I found most interesting is that the one professor brought up the fact that he thought what was going on wasn't right. But when they "investigated" it, they found it to all be fine.
You'd think that the department would've done something to make things at least look better after that.
You'd think that the department would've done something to make things at least look better after that.
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three7
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Here are the two reviews UM has conducted on Mr. Hagen in the last couple of months... Key Issues + Hot Topics | Public Affairs | OVPC
This is nothing new to UM... so either they knew they were doing something against NCAA rules and ignored it or there wasn't anything significant to report...
Remember that there are "guidelines" for when students can enroll in a class, not absolute "rules".
This is nothing new to UM... so either they knew they were doing something against NCAA rules and ignored it or there wasn't anything significant to report...
Remember that there are "guidelines" for when students can enroll in a class, not absolute "rules".
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three7
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three7;1117532; said:
For the record, I think it's garbage that college students are taking "how to use a daytime planner" courses. However, that doesn't make what UM is doing "illegal"... just embarrassing.
I'm sure some of the athletes taking these independent study classes need the one-on-one instruction, but more substance is needed to justify the program IMO.
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buckeyes_rock
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three7;1117688; said:
I think that "how to use a daytime planner" is a great course, especially for athletes...just not as a 4 credit hour course and an A grade.
Seriously, I can't remember if it was all freshman or freshman athletes, but I had to take a class on time mgt and it was very beneficial...just shouldn't be an independent study for credit.
Doesn't matter...if the university checked it out and said it's okay, then as you said...it's probably gonna fly. Just looks bad. I don't think it'll mean anything for recruiting...unless some 4.0 honors student and his parents take exception....but I seriously doubt it since that kid wouldn't be caught dead in a psychology independent study.
It's like any school...the kids that want a good education will get one...the kids that don't care...won't...PERIOD!
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