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Jeffcat
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tibor75;863355; said:Just like the Cryami fans said in 2002.
in all reality miami probably was the better team but on that night we were the team with the drive and ability to beat them. we are talking about a team that was going on 34 straight wins and a NC vs a team that truthfully should of lost vs cincinnati. in my opinion at least, we kind of in SOME aspects took the role of miami in 02 and we had it handed to us even though we probably had the better team.
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SanAntonioBuck
RIP Our Friend and Hero
The Spurs grades for Game 3:
Tim Duncan
Duncan had his first off game of the Finals in the Spurs Game 3 victory. He was aggressive and the effort was there but the results weren't. He finished with 14 points and nine rebounds on 6-for-17 shooting from the field. His defense was decent but he could never really get into a flow on either end of the court tonight.
Grade: C+
Manu Ginobili
Ginobili was missing in action tonight. He was 0-for-7 from the floor and missed a late free throw that kept the Cavs in it. He basically went scoreless outside of the four free throw attempts he got at the end of the game when the Cavs were trying to foul. Defensively, Ginobili didn't make up for his lackluster offensive showing. The one positive is he did lead the team with five assists.
Grade: D
Tony Parker
The Cavs made stopping Parker there number one priority coming into Game 3. Parker had some moments of struggle, but overall Parker played well considering the defensive pressure he was under. He didn't overly force the issue much and played a very cerebral floor game. Parker ended up with 17 points, leading the team in scoring for the third consecutive game. Defensively, he had by far his best showing of the Finals, holding Daniel Gibson to 1-for-10 shooting.
Grade: A-
Bruce Bowen
This might have been a career defining game from Bowen. He played fantastic defense as he held LeBron James to 9-for-23 shooting from the field. Offensively, Bowen had 13 points on 4-for-5 shooting from beyond the arc. He also chipped in nine rebounds in 44 minutes of action. As an all around game in a series where he plays as big a role as anyone on the team, Bowen has never played better.
Grade: A+
Fabricio Oberto
Oberto had a productive 21 minutes with six points and four rebounds. He played tough, physical basketball and was giving it his all every second. He had a couple poor decisions in regards to shot selection, but other than that there isn't much to complain about. However, he does get part of the blame for the Spurs giving up 15 offensive rebounds.
Grade: B
Michael Finley
Finley finally had a decent Finals showing. He had seven points, including a big three in the fourth quarter. Defensively, he had one of his better games of the playoffs. He still has room to improve in this series but at least he's on the right track.
Grade: C+
Robert Horry
Horry didn't have quite the impact he had in Game 2, but it was still an pretty good overall performance. He had three points, five rebounds, two assists and no turnovers in 20 minutes. Horry didn't get many open looks, but did knock down the one shot he took.
Grade: B+
Jacque Vaughn
Vaughn didn't do too much in his nine minutes ... and that's a good thing. Vaughn entered the game, went 1-for-1 from the floor and committed no turnovers. His stats wouldn't blow anyone away, but for Jacque Vaughn it was exactly what his role is.
Grade: B+
Francisco Elson
Elson played six minutes quiet minutes where he had one point and one rebound. Nothing really to write back home to Holland about.
Grade: B
Brent Barry
Barry came up huge. He led the Spurs in plus/minus with a +13. He hit 3-of-4 shots from deep and was one of the few Spurs who had any zip to his game. Barry showed great heart and bounced back from some bad misses in Game 2 to have one of his better playoff games of his Spurs career.
Grade: A
Pop
Pop's defensive game plan has been superb all series. He dissected the Cavs offense and has them playing totally out of sorts. He's forcing the Cavs into situation they haven't been in all season. Offensively, he really didn't seem to have any answers for the Cavs defense. The rotations were pretty good and it was very smart of him to play Bowen extended minutes.
Grade: B+
Tim Duncan
Duncan had his first off game of the Finals in the Spurs Game 3 victory. He was aggressive and the effort was there but the results weren't. He finished with 14 points and nine rebounds on 6-for-17 shooting from the field. His defense was decent but he could never really get into a flow on either end of the court tonight.
Grade: C+
Manu Ginobili
Ginobili was missing in action tonight. He was 0-for-7 from the floor and missed a late free throw that kept the Cavs in it. He basically went scoreless outside of the four free throw attempts he got at the end of the game when the Cavs were trying to foul. Defensively, Ginobili didn't make up for his lackluster offensive showing. The one positive is he did lead the team with five assists.
Grade: D
Tony Parker
The Cavs made stopping Parker there number one priority coming into Game 3. Parker had some moments of struggle, but overall Parker played well considering the defensive pressure he was under. He didn't overly force the issue much and played a very cerebral floor game. Parker ended up with 17 points, leading the team in scoring for the third consecutive game. Defensively, he had by far his best showing of the Finals, holding Daniel Gibson to 1-for-10 shooting.
Grade: A-
Bruce Bowen
This might have been a career defining game from Bowen. He played fantastic defense as he held LeBron James to 9-for-23 shooting from the field. Offensively, Bowen had 13 points on 4-for-5 shooting from beyond the arc. He also chipped in nine rebounds in 44 minutes of action. As an all around game in a series where he plays as big a role as anyone on the team, Bowen has never played better.
Grade: A+
Fabricio Oberto
Oberto had a productive 21 minutes with six points and four rebounds. He played tough, physical basketball and was giving it his all every second. He had a couple poor decisions in regards to shot selection, but other than that there isn't much to complain about. However, he does get part of the blame for the Spurs giving up 15 offensive rebounds.
Grade: B
Michael Finley
Finley finally had a decent Finals showing. He had seven points, including a big three in the fourth quarter. Defensively, he had one of his better games of the playoffs. He still has room to improve in this series but at least he's on the right track.
Grade: C+
Robert Horry
Horry didn't have quite the impact he had in Game 2, but it was still an pretty good overall performance. He had three points, five rebounds, two assists and no turnovers in 20 minutes. Horry didn't get many open looks, but did knock down the one shot he took.
Grade: B+
Jacque Vaughn
Vaughn didn't do too much in his nine minutes ... and that's a good thing. Vaughn entered the game, went 1-for-1 from the floor and committed no turnovers. His stats wouldn't blow anyone away, but for Jacque Vaughn it was exactly what his role is.
Grade: B+
Francisco Elson
Elson played six minutes quiet minutes where he had one point and one rebound. Nothing really to write back home to Holland about.
Grade: B
Brent Barry
Barry came up huge. He led the Spurs in plus/minus with a +13. He hit 3-of-4 shots from deep and was one of the few Spurs who had any zip to his game. Barry showed great heart and bounced back from some bad misses in Game 2 to have one of his better playoff games of his Spurs career.
Grade: A
Pop
Pop's defensive game plan has been superb all series. He dissected the Cavs offense and has them playing totally out of sorts. He's forcing the Cavs into situation they haven't been in all season. Offensively, he really didn't seem to have any answers for the Cavs defense. The rotations were pretty good and it was very smart of him to play Bowen extended minutes.
Grade: B+
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BearBuck27
Game Day!!!
Some things that will make you sick:
Salaries for next year:
Snow-6.2 mil
Marshall-5.5 mil
Damon Jones-4.1 mil
Salaries for next year:
Snow-6.2 mil
Marshall-5.5 mil
Damon Jones-4.1 mil
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You forgot Larry Hughes, though I might actually puke if I saw it typed out.BearBuck27;863570; said:
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BearBuck27
Game Day!!!
NFBuck;863574; said:
Well, I figured everyone knew his AWFUL contract situation, so I thought I would type some of these other AWFUL contracts for everyone to see. 6.2 mil for Eric Snow for 2 more years?:(
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SparkyOSU
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My sickly observations:
Games 1-3 at the end have shown M. Browns inability to clock manage. Inability to create a win. We were down by 5-8 pts each game but yet never 'forced the issue'. We sat back and let the Spurs take their sweet ass time when the game clock was the biggest factor. I understand the Spurs shotting was also horrible but in all three games the Spurs got away with an offensive rebound effectively eating 40-45 seconds off the final minute. Second, no press defense or attempt at getting extra possesions, when there are 2 minutes left you probably will only see the ball 4-5 more times and when you are doen by 6-8 pts we cant win. We dont have the ability to score on 4-5 consecutive possesions- so we need to 'create' more touches with some press defensive or quick transistions. I think we have waisted too much time in the final few minutes of every game.
We have the defense there, but we dont have dual role players. You should not have to choose between good D or good shooting. I think Boobie played good enough D to be on the roster full time next year. Gooden cant do two things at once, some nights his D is suffocating but his cant hit crap. Last night was his most 'perfect' average game- decent D with decent shooting and decent rebounds- still Gooden never puts together a well rounded game more than once a week.
I keep from this team for NEXT YEAR:
LBJ
Boobie
'Z'
Shasha
Varejao
maybe Hughes
maybe Gooden
maybe Snow (its too late, he will never be a great Offensive presence)
Take away or drop next year:
Take away Varejao's pregame caffine-take away from where ever he is getting it from, he looked too excited
The reliance on Snow and/or Hughes as a shut down corner, we lose alot of spark from the both of them
What do I think we need?:
I think next year Boobie will be LBJ's 'Scottie Pipen'- we need a more consistent mid range jumper
To learn to have everyone pound the football- when we drive and kick we are pretty good, we just need to drive, kick, AND drain our shots
Get Boobie some four inch high heels to play with-is it just me or does he look 5'4'' playing like a 6'4'' guard? He was running up Horry and Duncans backs getting rebounds over top of them in games 2 and 3
A better offensive game package, its one thing to hold the opponent to 80 pts in a championship but we need to step up our offensive tempo and allow ourselves more touches per game.
Games 1-3 at the end have shown M. Browns inability to clock manage. Inability to create a win. We were down by 5-8 pts each game but yet never 'forced the issue'. We sat back and let the Spurs take their sweet ass time when the game clock was the biggest factor. I understand the Spurs shotting was also horrible but in all three games the Spurs got away with an offensive rebound effectively eating 40-45 seconds off the final minute. Second, no press defense or attempt at getting extra possesions, when there are 2 minutes left you probably will only see the ball 4-5 more times and when you are doen by 6-8 pts we cant win. We dont have the ability to score on 4-5 consecutive possesions- so we need to 'create' more touches with some press defensive or quick transistions. I think we have waisted too much time in the final few minutes of every game.
We have the defense there, but we dont have dual role players. You should not have to choose between good D or good shooting. I think Boobie played good enough D to be on the roster full time next year. Gooden cant do two things at once, some nights his D is suffocating but his cant hit crap. Last night was his most 'perfect' average game- decent D with decent shooting and decent rebounds- still Gooden never puts together a well rounded game more than once a week.
I keep from this team for NEXT YEAR:
LBJ
Boobie
'Z'
Shasha
Varejao
maybe Hughes
maybe Gooden
maybe Snow (its too late, he will never be a great Offensive presence)
Take away or drop next year:
Take away Varejao's pregame caffine-take away from where ever he is getting it from, he looked too excited
The reliance on Snow and/or Hughes as a shut down corner, we lose alot of spark from the both of them
What do I think we need?:
I think next year Boobie will be LBJ's 'Scottie Pipen'- we need a more consistent mid range jumper
To learn to have everyone pound the football- when we drive and kick we are pretty good, we just need to drive, kick, AND drain our shots
Get Boobie some four inch high heels to play with-is it just me or does he look 5'4'' playing like a 6'4'' guard? He was running up Horry and Duncans backs getting rebounds over top of them in games 2 and 3
A better offensive game package, its one thing to hold the opponent to 80 pts in a championship but we need to step up our offensive tempo and allow ourselves more touches per game.
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First.. I LOVE my Cavs
but it's frighteningly obvious that their sphincter muscles are so tight they couldn't release diarrhea right now... and no one is more representative of that than LeBron...
On the bright side... nothing like the experience at this tier to help the next time they get to this level...
Eric Snow was quoted as stating same before the series started... he said he could tell the team all day long what they will experience but until you actually experience it.. it's only words.. Words of wisdom from someone that's been there.. done that..
but it's frighteningly obvious that their sphincter muscles are so tight they couldn't release diarrhea right now... and no one is more representative of that than LeBron...
On the bright side... nothing like the experience at this tier to help the next time they get to this level...
Eric Snow was quoted as stating same before the series started... he said he could tell the team all day long what they will experience but until you actually experience it.. it's only words.. Words of wisdom from someone that's been there.. done that..
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PlanetFrnd
Head Coach
My own obs:
Brown is a hopeless offensive coach. I don't mean to be a fatalist fan; but I can't help it. He does a terrible job of adjusting his team to create mismatches. It took him WAY too long to get Boobie more reps, he refuses to recognize that Gooden, not Z, was consistently hitting mid-range jumpers and he refuses to ban Jones, Marshall and Snow from the team.
LBJ (and I'm a huge fan of LBJ) does NOT attack his defender quick enough, and I think this is key to why he is being successfully defended. He needs to be able to confidently shoot jumpers OR make a decisive move coming off of screens and cuts. There were a number of off-ball cuts where, with his size, LBJ had Bowen WAY off balance, but he wasn't able to capitalize because he holds the ball for way too long waiting for a set or a screen to develop. He needs to be able to get to where he is going or take the J as soon as he catches the ball...
...but because Brown's offense has one play - give LBJ the ball 30 feet from the basket and let him do something cool - the Cavs 1) cannot get a flow; 2) cannot score more than 90pts on a good defensive team (in regulation); 3) will have high # of turnovers; 4) give up fast breaks the other way whenever a wing does not rotate to the top on LBJs drive to the hole.
And look for some long-athletic hybrid wings in the josh howard mold to package with LBJ so they can go small (LBJ at the 4) or big (LBJ at the 1/2) depending on what the other teams' D gives.
Brown is a hopeless offensive coach. I don't mean to be a fatalist fan; but I can't help it. He does a terrible job of adjusting his team to create mismatches. It took him WAY too long to get Boobie more reps, he refuses to recognize that Gooden, not Z, was consistently hitting mid-range jumpers and he refuses to ban Jones, Marshall and Snow from the team.
LBJ (and I'm a huge fan of LBJ) does NOT attack his defender quick enough, and I think this is key to why he is being successfully defended. He needs to be able to confidently shoot jumpers OR make a decisive move coming off of screens and cuts. There were a number of off-ball cuts where, with his size, LBJ had Bowen WAY off balance, but he wasn't able to capitalize because he holds the ball for way too long waiting for a set or a screen to develop. He needs to be able to get to where he is going or take the J as soon as he catches the ball...
...but because Brown's offense has one play - give LBJ the ball 30 feet from the basket and let him do something cool - the Cavs 1) cannot get a flow; 2) cannot score more than 90pts on a good defensive team (in regulation); 3) will have high # of turnovers; 4) give up fast breaks the other way whenever a wing does not rotate to the top on LBJs drive to the hole.
SparkyOSU;863587; said:
And look for some long-athletic hybrid wings in the josh howard mold to package with LBJ so they can go small (LBJ at the 4) or big (LBJ at the 1/2) depending on what the other teams' D gives.
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MrsB
A scarlet and grey blooded lady
WE need to rebuild (again).
Keep ;
LBJ
Gibby
Z
get rid of the rest.
Snow and Marshall are not worth their contracts so eat the cost or trade them.
The rest are average players who won't improve greatly . Time to shop around and get someone with potential at least. Get a Defensive star.
We need players who can be consistant scorers.
Go Cavs.
Keep ;
LBJ
Gibby
Z
get rid of the rest.
Snow and Marshall are not worth their contracts so eat the cost or trade them.
The rest are average players who won't improve greatly . Time to shop around and get someone with potential at least. Get a Defensive star.
We need players who can be consistant scorers.
Go Cavs.
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jimotis4heisman
Banned
forgot that miami had a big punt return to set up the long fg to tie the game at the end of regulation, nice clip and and big hold on the play...
ps i fell asleep during the game after saying at halftime the spurs would win. tv timeouts are to long and the nba game itself is mediocre...
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