2005 Pre-Season Chatter

OH10 · Mar 29, 2005

TS is the guy if he wins the job in practice. IMO, JZ would have to seriously cut down on mistakes, increase his velocity to meet up with accuracy - otherwise, he won't win the job in the first game.

And no Mili, the Marshall game was not JZ's best game. He had decent command of the team, and really cut down on his mistakes in the OSU game. In the Marshall game, he had two long bombs to Santonio, one that he got very lucky on because SH just made an incredible play - other than that he was very inconsistent and the offense was stagnant. He threw some horrendous picks in that game that allowed it to be closer than it should have been.

These TS/JZ debates are getting old. But since I've never succinctly stated my opinion, i'll give my half cent worth. JZ has the ability to be a solid QB that can run a decent offense and keep from losing the game, ala Craig Krenzel (who was no slouch by the way). But TS has the ability to be a superstar, and run a premiere, high-scoring offense. He can create more obviously because of his athletic ability, but he also has more velocity on his passes than JZ, so he's not just floating it up there. We could put up 14-28 points each game up under JZ. I believe this offense is capable of putting up 24 to 40+ points in any given game under TS. I'll go with Troy.

MililaniBuckeye · Mar 29, 2005

Vikes said:
Zwick has to be play close to perfect to unseat Smith. There is past history to consider. So the learning curve for Zwick is over. THATs my opinion. Agree to disagree.

Marshall Zwick's best game? Anyone have stats. I do remember a couple of turnovers..i.e INT and OSU's inability to move the ball.
and Ok. STATE...Zwick played mistake free football. Agree to disagree unless you believe INT's should be included in his best game.

Zwick played well vs. OK. ST when in the game. Nugent bailed him out alot. He had like what? 3 or 4 field goals. Not great but good.

First, Zwick is the starter for now, so to "unseat" Smith, Troy would have to be the starter. As for stats to show Zwick's best game, check below. Finally, Nugent didn't "bail out" Zwick...Zwick played quite well and was hurt.

Justin Zwick Quarterback | #12 | Sophomore | <a href="/ncf/roster?teamId=194">Roster</a>Age: 21 Height: 6-4 Weight: 225 lbs. Hometown: Massillon, OH <table width=626 cellspacing=0 border=0 cellpadding=3><tr bgColor=#de3129><td colspan=2>Totals</td><td colspan=10 align=center>Passing</td><td colspan=4 align=center>Rushing</td></tr><tr bgColor="#c1c1c1" align=right><td colspan=2 align=left>SEASON</td><td>RECORD</td><td>CMP</td><td>ATT</td><td>YDS</td><td>CMP%</td><td>YPA</td><td>TD</td><td>INT</td><td>SACK</td><td>RAT</td><td>ATT</td><td>YDS</td><td>AVG</td><td>TD</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td colspan=2 align=left>2004</td><td>8-4</td><td>98</td><td>187</td><td>1209</td><td>52.4</td><td>6.5</td><td>6</td><td>6</td><td>13</td><td>110.9</td><td>39</td><td>32</td><td>0.8</td><td>0</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td colspan=2 align=left>2003</td><td>-</td><td>4</td><td>8</td><td>24</td><td>50.0</td><td>3.0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>75.2</td><td>2</td><td>0</td><td>0.0</td><td>0</td></tr></table><table width=626 cellspacing=0 border=0 cellpadding=3><tr><td colspan=1> </td></tr><tr bgColor=de3129><td colspan=2>2004 Game Log</td><td colspan=9 align=center>Passing</td><td colspan=4 align=center>Rushing</td></tr><tr bgColor="#c1c1c1" align=right><td align=left>DATE & OPP</td><td align=left>RESULT</td><td>CMP</td><td>ATT</td><td>YDS</td><td>CMP%</td><td>YPA</td><td>TD</td><td>INT</td><td>SACK</td><td>RAT</td><td>ATT</td><td>YDS</td><td>AVG</td><td>TD</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>9/4 Cincinnati</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=242480194">27-6</a>
</td><td>14</td><td>26</td><td>213</td><td>53.8</td><td>8.2</td><td>1</td><td>2</td><td>1</td><td>120.0</td><td>4</td><td>-8</td><td>-2.0</td><td>0</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>9/11 Marshall</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=242550194">24-21</a>
</td><td>18</td><td>30</td><td>324</td><td>60.0</td><td>10.8</td><td>3</td><td>2</td><td>1</td><td>170.4</td><td>1</td><td>-11</td><td>-11.0</td><td>0</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>9/18 @N.C. State</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=242620152">22-14</a>
</td><td>10</td><td>21</td><td>73</td><td>47.6</td><td>3.5</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>2</td><td>76.8</td><td>9</td><td>2</td><td>0.2</td><td>0</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>10/2 @Northwestern</td><td align=left>Loss <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=242760077">33-27</a>
(OT)</td><td>18</td><td>38</td><td>211</td><td>47.4</td><td>5.6</td><td>1</td><td>1</td><td>4</td><td>97.4</td><td>11</td><td>28</td><td>2.5</td><td>0</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>10/9 Wisconsin</td><td align=left>Loss <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=242830194">24-13</a>
</td><td>15</td><td>31</td><td>125</td><td>48.4</td><td>4.0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>5</td><td>82.3</td><td>11</td><td>17</td><td>1.5</td><td>0</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>10/16 @Iowa</td><td align=left>Loss <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=242902294">33-7</a>
</td><td>6</td><td>14</td><td>74</td><td>42.9</td><td>5.3</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>73.0</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>1.3</td><td>0</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>10/23 Indiana</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=242970194">30-7</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>10/30 Penn State</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=243040194">21-10</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>11/6 @Michigan State</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=243110127">32-19</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>11/13 @Purdue</td><td align=left>Loss <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=243182509">24-17</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>11/20 Michigan</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=243250194">37-21</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor=de3129><td colspan=2>2004 Postseason Game Log</td><td colspan=9 align=center>Passing</td><td colspan=4 align=center>Rushing</td></tr><tr bgColor="#c1c1c1" align=right><td align=left>DATE & OPP</td><td align=left>RESULT</td><td>CMP</td><td>ATT</td><td>YDS</td><td>CMP%</td><td>YPA</td><td>TD</td><td>INT</td><td>SACK</td><td>RAT</td><td>ATT</td><td>YDS</td><td>AVG</td><td>TD</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>12/29 Oklahoma State</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=243640197">33-7</a>
</td><td>17</td><td>27</td><td>189</td><td>63.0</td><td>7.0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>134.0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0.0</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td align=left colspan=15>2004 season totals include bowl game statistics.</td></tr><tr><td colspan=1> </td></tr><tr bgColor=de3129><td colspan=2>2003 Game Log</td><td colspan=9 align=center>Passing</td><td colspan=4 align=center>Rushing</td></tr><tr bgColor="#c1c1c1" align=right><td align=left>DATE & OPP</td><td align=left>RESULT</td><td>CMP</td><td>ATT</td><td>YDS</td><td>CMP%</td><td>YPA</td><td>TD</td><td>INT</td><td>SACK</td><td>RAT</td><td>ATT</td><td>YDS</td><td>AVG</td><td>TD</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>8/30 Washington</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=232420194">28-9</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>9/6 San Diego State</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=232490194">16-13</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>9/13 N.C. State</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=232560194">44-38</a>
(OT)</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>9/20 Bowling Green</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=232630194">24-17</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>9/27 Northwestern</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=232700194">20-0</a>
</td><td>3</td><td>7</td><td>20</td><td>42.9</td><td>2.9</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>66.9</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0.0</td><td>0</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>10/11 @Wisconsin</td><td align=left>Loss <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=232840275">17-10</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>10/18 Iowa</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=232910194">19-10</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>10/25 @Indiana</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=232980084">35-6</a>
</td><td>1</td><td>1</td><td>4</td><td>100.0</td><td>4.0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>133.6</td><td>2</td><td>0</td><td>0.0</td><td>0</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>11/1 @Penn State</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=233050213">21-20</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>11/8 Michigan State</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=233120194">33-23</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>11/15 Purdue</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=233190194">16-13</a>
(OT)</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>11/22 @Michigan</td><td align=left>Loss <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=233260130">35-21</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor=de3129><td colspan=2>2003 Postseason Game Log</td><td colspan=9 align=center>Passing</td><td colspan=4 align=center>Rushing</td></tr><tr bgColor="#c1c1c1" align=right><td align=left>DATE & OPP</td><td align=left>RESULT</td><td>CMP</td><td>ATT</td><td>YDS</td><td>CMP%</td><td>YPA</td><td>TD</td><td>INT</td><td>SACK</td><td>RAT</td><td>ATT</td><td>YDS</td><td>AVG</td><td>TD</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>1/2 Kansas State</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=240020194">35-28</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr><td align=left colspan=15>2003 season totals include bowl game statistics.</td></tr></table>

jwinslow · Mar 29, 2005

Thanks for the 2003 stats, those were real helpful mili :(

Anyway, it was good to bring objectivity back to this thread. The thing that stands out to me is that he barely had any games where his TD's distanced themselves from his INTs. That NC State and Wisconsin game were just atrocious as well.

Please do the same stat sheet for Smith, as I think it will prove why a lot of us want him in there. He's not flawless, but numbers wise he's a lot better.

Vikes · Mar 29, 2005

I stand by what I said.

Bump.

MililaniBuckeye · Mar 29, 2005

Vikes said:
I stand by what I said.

Bump.

Then you obviously didn't check the stats...

Vikes · Mar 29, 2005

2 INTs
-11 yards rushing (probably due to sacks)
60% passing

vs.

0int
0 yards rushing
63% passing

Tell me why again Marshall was a better game in Tressel error free football?

and this guy below was dead on.

StadiumDorm said:
TS is the guy if he wins the job in practice. IMO, JZ would have to seriously cut down on mistakes, increase his velocity to meet up with accuracy - otherwise, he won't win the job in the first game.

And no Mili, the Marshall game was not JZ's best game. He had decent command of the team, and really cut down on his mistakes in the OSU game. In the Marshall game, he had two long bombs to Santonio, one that he got very lucky on because SH just made an incredible play - other than that he was very inconsistent and the offense was stagnant. He threw some horrendous picks in that game that allowed it to be closer than it should have been.

These TS/JZ debates are getting old. But since I've never succinctly stated my opinion, i'll give my half cent worth. JZ has the ability to be a solid QB that can run a decent offense and keep from losing the game, ala Craig Krenzel (who was no slouch by the way). But TS has the ability to be a superstar, and run a premiere, high-scoring offense. He can create more obviously because of his athletic ability, but he also has more velocity on his passes than JZ, so he's not just floating it up there. We could put up 14-28 points each game up under JZ. I believe this offense is capable of putting up 24 to 40+ points in any given game under TS. I'll go with Troy.

Fungo Squiggly · Mar 29, 2005

Those 2003 stats are very misleading. If I recall correctly (and I know I do), Justin should have been 4-7, about 70 yds, and 1 TD against NW. He threw a beautiful ball to our friend Louis Irrizary (sp) streaking towards the endzone that Louis tried to catch with one hand and dropped. Taking that into consideration, I think we can all agree that his 2003 stats are still freaking useless. :biggrin:

KevinBuck · Mar 29, 2005

174.0 vs 134.0 QB rating, pretty much says it all when comparing 2 separate QB performances. That 10.9 yds per attempt is pretty impressive too. That said, I believe the Alamo Bowl was indeed Zwick's best game, if only because of the national stage, the pressure due to controversy, and the injury.

MililaniBuckeye · Mar 29, 2005

Vikes said:
2 INTs
-11 yards rushing (probably due to sacks)
60% passing

vs.

0int
0 yards rushing
63% passing

Tell me why again Marshall was a better game in Tressel error free football?

Did you even read any other stats aside from those you think support your position? As KevinBuck pointed out above, 174.0 vs 134.0 QB rating says it all, not to mention 3 TD passes vice 1 TD pass, nearly 4 more yards per pass attempt, and almost double the passing yardage (324 vice 189). And all that was done when our OL wasn't playing for shit. Look at the time Zwick had in the Alamo Bowl.

BuckeyeFROMscUM said:
Please do the same stat sheet for Smith, as I think it will prove why a lot of us want him in there. He's not flawless, but numbers wise he's a lot better.

Ask and ye shall recieve:

Troy Smith Quarterback | #10 | Sophomore | <a href="/ncf/roster?teamId=194">Roster</a>Age: 20 Height: 6-1 Weight: 215 lbs. Hometown: Glenville, OH <table width=626 cellspacing=0 border=0 cellpadding=3><tr bgColor=#de3129><td colspan=2>Totals</td><td colspan=10 align=center>Passing</td><td colspan=4 align=center>Rushing</td></tr><tr bgColor="#c1c1c1" align=right><td colspan=2 align=left>SEASON</td><td>RECORD</td><td>CMP</td><td>ATT</td><td>YDS</td><td>CMP%</td><td>YPA</td><td>TD</td><td>INT</td><td>SACK</td><td>RAT</td><td>ATT</td><td>YDS</td><td>AVG</td><td>TD</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td colspan=2 align=left>2004</td><td>8-4</td><td>68</td><td>122</td><td>896</td><td>55.7</td><td>7.3</td><td>8</td><td>3</td><td>10</td><td>134.2</td><td>82</td><td>339</td><td>4.1</td><td>2</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td colspan=2 align=left>2003</td><td>-</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0.0</td><td>0.0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0.0</td><td>3</td><td>14</td><td>4.7</td><td>0</td></tr></table><table width=626 cellspacing=0 border=0 cellpadding=3><tr><td colspan=1> </td></tr><tr bgColor=de3129><td colspan=2>2004 Game Log</td><td colspan=9 align=center>Passing</td><td colspan=4 align=center>Rushing</td></tr><tr bgColor="#c1c1c1" align=right><td align=left>DATE & OPP</td><td align=left>RESULT</td><td>CMP</td><td>ATT</td><td>YDS</td><td>CMP%</td><td>YPA</td><td>TD</td><td>INT</td><td>SACK</td><td>RAT</td><td>ATT</td><td>YDS</td><td>AVG</td><td>TD</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>9/4 Cincinnati</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=242480194">27-6</a>
</td><td>2</td><td>3</td><td>29</td><td>66.7</td><td>9.7</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>257.9</td><td>5</td><td>7</td><td>1.4</td><td>0</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>9/11 Marshall</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=242550194">24-21</a>
</td><td>0</td><td>2</td><td>0</td><td>0.0</td><td>0.0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0.0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0.0</td><td>0</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>9/18 @N.C. State</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=242620152">22-14</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>10/2 @Northwestern</td><td align=left>Loss <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=242760077">33-27</a>
(OT)</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>10/9 Wisconsin</td><td align=left>Loss <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=242830194">24-13</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>10/16 @Iowa</td><td align=left>Loss <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=242902294">33-7</a>
</td><td>8</td><td>12</td><td>76</td><td>66.7</td><td>6.3</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>2</td><td>147.4</td><td>6</td><td>7</td><td>1.2</td><td>0</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>10/23 Indiana</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=242970194">30-7</a>
</td><td>12</td><td>24</td><td>161</td><td>50.0</td><td>6.7</td><td>2</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>133.9</td><td>11</td><td>58</td><td>5.3</td><td>0</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>10/30 Penn State</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=243040194">21-10</a>
</td><td>6</td><td>8</td><td>59</td><td>75.0</td><td>7.4</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>3</td><td>137.0</td><td>12</td><td>26</td><td>2.2</td><td>0</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>11/6 @Michigan State</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=243110127">32-19</a>
</td><td>13</td><td>21</td><td>138</td><td>61.9</td><td>6.6</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>132.8</td><td>13</td><td>34</td><td>2.6</td><td>0</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>11/13 @Purdue</td><td align=left>Loss <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=243182509">24-17</a>
</td><td>14</td><td>29</td><td>192</td><td>48.3</td><td>6.6</td><td>1</td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>94.6</td><td>16</td><td>62</td><td>3.9</td><td>1</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>11/20 Michigan</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=243250194">37-21</a>
</td><td>13</td><td>23</td><td>241</td><td>56.5</td><td>10.5</td><td>2</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>173.2</td><td>18</td><td>145</td><td>8.1</td><td>1</td></tr><tr bgColor=de3129><td colspan=2>2004 Postseason Game Log</td><td colspan=9 align=center>Passing</td><td colspan=4 align=center>Rushing</td></tr><tr bgColor="#c1c1c1" align=right><td align=left>DATE & OPP</td><td align=left>RESULT</td><td>CMP</td><td>ATT</td><td>YDS</td><td>CMP%</td><td>YPA</td><td>TD</td><td>INT</td><td>SACK</td><td>RAT</td><td>ATT</td><td>YDS</td><td>AVG</td><td>TD</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>12/29 Oklahoma State</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=243640197">33-7</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr><td align=left colspan=15>2004 season totals include bowl game statistics.</td></tr><tr><td colspan=1> </td></tr><tr bgColor=de3129><td colspan=2>2003 Game Log</td><td colspan=9 align=center>Passing</td><td colspan=4 align=center>Rushing</td></tr><tr bgColor="#c1c1c1" align=right><td align=left>DATE & OPP</td><td align=left>RESULT</td><td>CMP</td><td>ATT</td><td>YDS</td><td>CMP%</td><td>YPA</td><td>TD</td><td>INT</td><td>SACK</td><td>RAT</td><td>ATT</td><td>YDS</td><td>AVG</td><td>TD</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>8/30 Washington</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=232420194">28-9</a>
</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0.0</td><td>0.0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0.0</td><td>1</td><td>2</td><td>2.0</td><td>0</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>9/6 San Diego State</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=232490194">16-13</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>9/13 N.C. State</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=232560194">44-38</a>
(OT)</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>9/20 Bowling Green</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=232630194">24-17</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>9/27 Northwestern</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=232700194">20-0</a>
</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0.0</td><td>0.0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0.0</td><td>2</td><td>12</td><td>6.0</td><td>0</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>10/11 @Wisconsin</td><td align=left>Loss <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=232840275">17-10</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>10/18 Iowa</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=232910194">19-10</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>10/25 @Indiana</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=232980084">35-6</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>11/1 @Penn State</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=233050213">21-20</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>11/8 Michigan State</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=233120194">33-23</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>11/15 Purdue</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=233190194">16-13</a>
(OT)</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor="#ffffff" align=right><td align=left>11/22 @Michigan</td><td align=left>Loss <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=233260130">35-21</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr bgColor=de3129><td colspan=2>2003 Postseason Game Log</td><td colspan=9 align=center>Passing</td><td colspan=4 align=center>Rushing</td></tr><tr bgColor="#c1c1c1" align=right><td align=left>DATE & OPP</td><td align=left>RESULT</td><td>CMP</td><td>ATT</td><td>YDS</td><td>CMP%</td><td>YPA</td><td>TD</td><td>INT</td><td>SACK</td><td>RAT</td><td>ATT</td><td>YDS</td><td>AVG</td><td>TD</td></tr><tr bgColor="#efefe7" align=right><td align=left>1/2 Kansas State</td><td align=left>Win <a href="/ncf/boxscore?gameId=240020194">35-28</a>
</td><td colspan=13 align=left>Did not play</td></tr><tr><td align=left colspan=15>2003 season totals include bowl game statistics.</td></tr></table>

bukIpower · Mar 29, 2005

One thing you have to take into account is that Zwick threw two passes that jacked up those Yards per attempt... one was a very nice ball thrown to Holmes for 80 yards and the other was a decent throw that Holme reeled in for I think somewhere around 40 yards. Touchdowns and passing yards are great but what he did agains Oky St. was manage the game and not make mistakes. Something he didn't do against Marshall, and almost cost us the game with two costly turnovers. Granted he did lead a comeback. He played good against marshall no doubt about that, but IMO he played GREAT against Oky St.

BrutusBobcat · Mar 29, 2005

Just padding post count with a little love for Todd Boeckman. :biggrin:

He's never thrown an INT in a game... Broken no NCAA rules... Never accused of having "happy feet"... :wink:

Let me put in my bid right now for President of The Savior With The Clipboard Fan Club. :biggrin:

bukIpower · Mar 29, 2005

haha you're right!! Boeckman could be our best QB, and we might not evenknow it? how awsome would that be? haha

OH10 · Mar 29, 2005

Honestly, you can put up the ratings and stats all you want about the Marshall and Okie St. games. The stat that stands out the most to me based upon the flow of each game is 2 ugly interceptions at costly times, and 0 interceptions. The ratings are meaningless, because they can be misleading. And that only confirms to me that Zwick is the type of qb that is going to need a leash.

Furthermore, if the Marshall game is Zwick's best game, where was the improvement? Do we really have much to look forward to with him starting if he peaked in his second start as a collegiate qb?

Vikes · Mar 29, 2005

Well it seems everybody except Milli thinks the Marshall game isn't Zwick's BEST game in the era of TRESSEL error free football.

2 INT's clearly having an effect. NOTICE the score of both games. INTs allow the opponenet back into the game....essentially giving away the game. That to me isn't a stellar performance.

another interesting point ...if simply looking at RAT stat Zwick's perfomance vs. Marshall ...is better than Smith's performance vs. Michigan ....which again proving the point ...those stats don't tell the whole story.

bump.....

Taosman · Mar 29, 2005

I like Smith's extra abilities at QB, but maybe too much is made of the relative performances of both QBs. It was the maturity of the TEAM that had the biggest, most positive effect. For instance, Gonzo getting healthy and maturing at the end of the season. Without Gonzo, is this offense nearly as explosive? The coaches, themselves said as much.

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