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2005 Pre-Season Chatter

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Smith is going to start the year in the doghouse, so he is going to have to WAY outperform Zwick to start anytime soon. personally, I hope he does, but JT values intangibles very highly, and right now Zwick leads that category handily. His performance in the Alamo bowl playing the whole game on a pulled hammy had to have an effect on his teammates' view of him in a positive way.


I would like the O-line to have a break out year this year, continuing the trend which began at the end of last season. If so, everything else will fall into place.


@Penn St (night game - strike one - on the road - strike two - after a bye week - strike three!) and @ scUM are the 2 that worry me more than a little. i think we'll be kicking butt and taking names in our home games this year.
 
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1) I think Zwick will get the start but Tressel will have a quick trigger unlike last year.

2) I'd like to see any of the RS freshmen breakout.

3) The Texas game is going to set the tone for the season. I think we need to watch out for Iowa at home. They might actually be healthy this year.
 
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1) Zwick will start, and JT will let him lose the job. I don't think that will require Zwick to be absolutely horrible but just ineffective, as he has a superb QB in Smith to bring in to relieve him. I think once we hit the easier portion of our schedule (after PSU), we will see a lot of smith.

2) I think JamO will break out this year. He should be seeing playing time somewhere on the field by the end of the season if not sooner. Had he been able to enroll early, I think we would be hearing about him being considered to play corner, or at least be Youboty's backup.

I'm holding out hope for Haw to be the breakout guy, but I'll be happy if he's just a solid 4 YPC back that breaks off a few huge runs and is dependable.

3) Most worried? I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with everyone about PSU. The fact that it is night, after a bye week, and that we struggle against them will be enough to get up for the game.

I think I'm still worried about Iowa, as they will be pretty scary if their DL can reload (which is unlikely that early on).
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
You never "share time" just to appease players and fans. You play the best, most-deserving QB period. Fuck the "martyr complex".
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Smith said phuck the martyr complex and see where it landed him. ...and Zwick was supposedly the best at the start of 2004.

All these scenerios that have been stated ...don't lend itself to see who is the best QB, because its contingent on if Justin Zwick plays well in the Miami game.
What if Smith could have done equally or better than JZ in the Miami game???
All I'm hearing is if Zwick plays adequate stick with him.

IF YOU ARE FOR REAL ABOUT BEST QB PLAYS ...give them each a 1/2 and see who puts up better numbers by the time the big 10 season opens up....You will have REAL DATA to make a distinction and NOT HOPES, dreams, subjective opinions but PURE DATA.
 
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Ok first off I apologize for the spelling.... and also for future spelling errors cuz I suck at spelling.


Second, The reason everyone is saying Zwick will remain the QB if he plays well is because JT has shown last year he'll stick with someone until the person falters. JT will want to try and find a team chemistry.

If any of you know my history I'm a huge Troy fan pretty much just basically because Troy has stronger arm and not to mention he's a tad bit more mobile (sarcastic).

I somewhat am Scared of PSU because of only one reason BYE week.
I'm not scared of Texas though, and thats just mainly because I'm going to the game and dammit they can't lose when I"m there.

Also look for another DT to really come in and be a force along with Pitcock. Especially if Patterson wil be moving to End. With Maupin bac he might want to prove something, also green has the talent to be a star in his final year.
 
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Vikes said:
IF YOU ARE FOR REAL ABOUT BEST QB PLAYS ...give them each a 1/2 and see who puts up better numbers by the time the big 10 season opens up....You will have REAL DATA to make a distinction and NOT HOPES, dreams, subjective opinions but PURE DATA.
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I don't think our schedule will let us do that. The only game I see us able to play around with Smith and Zwick playing half and half is the SDSU game. Even then, the Texas game is, I believe, a must-win and we damn well better know who to go with then. Two things can happen...Zwick does just well enough to win us the Miami game, falters in the Texas game (or is injured) and TS will have to be put in - assuming he wins the Texas game, TS is now our QB. OR, Zwick blows away everyones expectations in both games. Zwick would have earned his spot with a Texas victory. Why would Tressel let Smith take Zwick's job away, by letting him play a half? In this scenario, we all know that Tress will let Zwick play till he's injured. Tress knows better than all of us, so I'm not criticizing his judgement, but I just hope that Smith is used somehow if this is the scenario. Like I said before, regardless of who you believe is the better QB, I'm sure we all agree that Smith has athletic ability that can't go wasted.
 
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Vikes said:
Smith said phuck the martyr complex and see where it landed him. ...and Zwick was supposedly the best at the start of 2004.

All these scenerios that have been stated ...don't lend itself to see who is the best QB, because its contingent on if Justin Zwick plays well in the Miami game.
What if Smith could have done equally or better than JZ in the Miami game???
All I'm hearing is if Zwick plays adequate stick with him.

IF YOU ARE FOR REAL ABOUT BEST QB PLAYS ...give them each a 1/2 and see who puts up better numbers by the time the big 10 season opens up....You will have REAL DATA to make a distinction and NOT HOPES, dreams, subjective opinions but PURE DATA.
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Uh, no, Smith didn't say "Fuck the martyr complex" (those are your words), he complained publicly about not playing. You ask what if Smith could have played better than Zwick in the Miami game...he's the one that cost himself the chance to do so by taking money. As for "best QB plays", there's more to it than that...you play the QB that not only plays well but also doesn't break NCAA rules.



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of course ....this is assuming Zwick plays close to perfect in TEXAS and Miami games. Zwick's best game was Ok St and Ginn subbed in for him.
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Zwick does not have to play "close to perfect" in those games, just solid, smart football. Also, the Alamo Bowl wasn't his best game...Marshall was. Lastly, Ginn subbed for Zwick in the bowl game only because Zwick was hurt, not because Zwick was playing poorly.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Uh, no, Smith didn't say "Fuck the martyr complex" (those are your words), he complained publicly about not playing.

>>>Of course Smith didn't literally say Phuck the martyr complex. THATS PAINFULLY OBVIOUS, so I don't know why you are correcting me for that. Symbolically he took a stance by speaking to the media about his dissatification with his situation. Paraphrasing....."This is my career here. I think I should be playing." Meaning he wanted playing time after a dismal performance by Zwick.

You ask what if Smith could have played better than Zwick in the Miami game...he's the one that cost himself the chance to do so by taking money.
>>>Again painfully obvious. It was a hypothetical. His suspension doesn't make Zwick the best QB.

As for "best QB plays", there's more to it than that...you play the QB that not only plays well but also doesn't break NCAA rules.

>>>Oh I didn't know there were qualifiers to the definition "BEST QB Plays." I literally thought you meant BEST MAN PLAYS. Thanks for the clarification.

Zwick does not have to play "close to perfect" in those games, just solid, smart football. Also, the Alamo Bowl wasn't his best game...Marshall was. Lastly, Ginn subbed for Zwick in the bowl game only because Zwick was hurt, not because Zwick was playing poorly.
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Zwick has to be play close to perfect to unseat Smith. There is past history to consider. So the learning curve for Zwick is over. THATs my opinion. Agree to disagree.

Marshall Zwick's best game? Anyone have stats. I do remember a couple of turnovers..i.e INT and OSU's inability to move the ball.
and Ok. STATE...Zwick played mistake free football. Agree to disagree unless you believe INT's should be included in his best game.

Zwick played well vs. OK. ST when in the game. Nugent bailed him out alot. He had like what? 3 or 4 field goals. Not great but good.
 
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I didn't mean for this to turn into a Smith/Zwick Debate but here we go

Zwicks best game was definatly Ok St. He had a couple nice plays against marshall but overall didn't do very well, and overall played below par in the second half of the game. The stats looked good but if you just watched the game you'd understand it wasn't like he lite the scoreboard up. Smith did blow it though, and if he didn't make the mistake he made we'd be talk'n about if Zwick will be doing well in DIAA ball because Zwick would have Transfered. What smith did was give Zwick another chance, and a chance that I think Zwick will exploit. I think Zwick will take advantage of the chance and win us some ball games.
 
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Zwick was 18/30 for 324 yards against Marshall. He added in 3 TDs with 2 INT. In that game, JZ threw for 255 in the first half alone and then engineered a gutsy drive at the end to put Nuge in range to make the game-winning FG.

Zwick has to be play close to perfect to unseat Smith.
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Last I checked, JZ is #1. Troy has to "be close to perfect" both on AND off the field to get the starting spot back.
 
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Dryden said:
Frankly, I'm not convinced we've ever seen the real Justin Zwick or the real Troy Smith. The occassional superb game along with a poor game just isn't going to cut it, we need someone more steady, and neither have ever demonstrated that yet -- at least not to me. Add to that, if the offensive line plays like they did the first half of last year, it'll all be moot anyway, the Bucks will be 2 - 2 after Iowa, and everyone will be screaming for Bollman's job (again).
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:bow: dead on

and im with mili, never EVER split qb's. pick a guy and let him run with it. not good for the qb's and it most certainly isn't good for the team.

2. we got a taste of gonzo last year. but id really like to see a consistant diet of gonzo this year. anyone at tb obviously. id LOVE to see someone from the o-line show up to play. id like to see hall find his place in the offense. more than anything though. id really like either jz or ts to get their head out of their rear and put forth a consistant effort. sure people point to the scum game for ts and the alamo bowl for jz. but if you remove both guys best games and their worst and then grade them on the average of what was left. neither guy has shown anything resembling consistancy. both seem to have the raw talent. but neither have proven they can put it together and be "the man".
 
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