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LOST THE LAST “FOUR-MINUTE WAR”
The term “four-minute war” has become a cliche Ohio State is fond of using. The Buckeyes view the four minutes between each media timeouts as individual “wars” they have to win. None is more important than the last one, during which many games – including Sunday’s – are won or lost.

The Buckeyes went into the final media break trailing by one with exactly four minutes left, and a little more than three minutes of action later they were down by eight.

“There was no pressure,” E.J. Liddell said. “Everybody just emphasized it was winning time, and in these situations we come out on top. We just had to execute, we get stops. That's just not how it went tonight.”

Not at all.

Hunter Dickinson, the behemoth of a 7-foot-2 big man, continued his strong night that ended with 22 points by draining a pair of free throws. Both teams subsequently missed shots to keep it a three-point game, and then Justice Sueing made his most costly play on a subpar individual day. The fourth-year junior forward decided to go behind his back with a pass that led to a turnover and and-one layup by Isaiah Livers to make it a six-point game.

“We were trying to get what we want,” Holtmann said. “I think we would've got it. He just made a read. I'm not quite sure why he made the read.”

Washington, coming to Sueing's defense, said: “One little mistake toward the game is not why we lost the game. Simple. So whoever says that, that's not the truth, and I'm going to have his back on that. (He) definitely could have played better, but everybody could have.”

He’s right. That mattered, especially in a game with both offenses lighting up the scoreboard by shooting better than 50 percent from the floor and nearly 50 percent from 3. Yet Ohio State also had an opportunity to respond quickly and get back on track.

Liddell knocked down a pair of free throws the next trip down the court. But over the course of the 2 minutes and 9 seconds following Sueing’s blunder, a six-point deficit turned into a nine-point deficit with just 23 ticks remaining. Over that stretch, Michigan scored on all four of its possessions against a defense that saw its struggles on full display at the worst possible time.

As Liddell said, the Buckeyes had to execute and get stops. They didn’t, so they lost.

ScriptOhio said:

Nice review on where the 2020 class stand in regard to actual playing time as they begin the 2021 season:

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The recruiting class of 2020 certainly had an unconventional first year of college football.

Although Ohio State’s 14 early enrollees in that class didn’t know it when they arrived in Columbus 13 months ago, their freshman year would be unlike any other in college football history. Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, the Buckeyes had just three spring practices in 2020, didn’t play their first game until late October and played only eight total games, including just five in the regular season.

As a result, Ohio State’s true freshmen had far fewer opportunities to play than they would in a normal season, and some had none at all. The abnormal offseason surely impacted their development as first-year Buckeyes, and with less than half of the usual number of regular-season games – including zero non-conference games – there simply weren’t many chances for the Buckeyes to take their starters out early and get their young players reps.

That means the vast majority of Ohio State’s class of 2020 – which included 25 freshmen last year, now down to 24 second-year Buckeyes following Mookie Cooper’s departure – remains almost entirely unproven entering its second year in Columbus.

Expect that to change in 2021, as several members of the 2020 class have a chance to play substantial roles while Ohio State is certainly looking to play a full 12-game regular season slate, ideally opening up opportunities for all of the second-year Buckeyes – who, whether you call them freshmen or sophomores, all still have four years of eligibility since the NCAA gave everyone a free year of eligibility in 2020 – to get some playing time this fall.

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Damn Scott and Fleming are big for WRs...

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With every shot so far

NFBuck said:

When replacing Thad Matta became a serious discussion 4 years ago, Archie Miller was my #1 choice. When IU hired him and Matta decided to "step down" a few months later, I was initially pissed we let Archie get away. Especially that it was to IU. As I dug deeper into potential replacements, Holtmann quickly became a guy I was more than happy with.

I, and many, said that we'd be judging/comparing Holtmann based on how he did as opposed to Miller in Bloomington. Right now, I'd say we very clearly got the right guy.

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Add me to that group, I'll openly admit to being flat out wrong. Growing up in Dayton, I was a huge UD fan growing up and still am. Part of that largely drove my initial response to not getting Archie. I still think Archie would have been a quality coach here, but nowhere chose to CH now that I have the benefit of hindsight. I'll gladly eat crow when my team benefits like this. Have to give some credit to Gene on that decision (another guy I've been eating crow on in recent years), it was a pivotal one that puts our basketball Bucks in a position for a long ride near the top of the conference. I see a big recruiting bump coming after this season (not that it's been bad at all, just saying).

shetuck said:

Kudos on the pint glass from the Distillery... spent many a Wednesday night sitting over in a dark corner nursing one of those (sans logo), listening to Gaylord Dubois and the Men of Leisure. Smelled like no other bar on High Street.

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I bartended there for a year and a half. That smell was the sweet, sweet mixture of corned beef, dried beer on the floors and overflowing toilets.

The glass is courtesy of these good people in Chagrin Falls who are truly doing the lord's work.

https://highstreettees.com/collections/defunct/Drinkware-&-Accessories/Pint-Glasses

Jim Hunter said:

Bama had injuries too, Landon Dickerson 1st team All-American Center, Wide receiver Jaylen Waddle (the single most explosive wide receiver and punt returner in the country), Labryan Ray starting defensive end, and we lose Battle on a targeting call early in the game. Regarding injuries, if Jaylen Waddle is healthy, it's an even more lopsided score even if every player out for the Buck's is back. And the shortened season didn't seem to bother the Buck's against Clemson. Better team won this one, just like 2015 when OSU beat the Tide in New Orleans. When it's over I tip my hat to the winner and move on, excuses are worthless.

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You are exactly right. Dickerson was a huge loss at center.

The offense changed drastically after the loss of waddle. However, it retained its potency. We shouldn’t forget that waddle was the leader of the receivers before his injury.

Labryan Ray was experience that was needed on this defense.

Malachi Moore was banged up too.

I see Arizona State's standards for recruiting mirrors its acceptance rate; they'll take just about anyone

bobcat84 said:

Tre’s video reminds me of Curtis Samuel...

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That’s a good comparison. He reminds me a lot of Antonio Pittman at the same time in career as well from a size perspective but closer to Samuel in skill set. Great film for a sophomore

Jake said:

I'm picturing a grey uniform script with Buckeyes in scarlet with white trim.

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almost

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...ck-uniform-ahead-of-home-bout-against-indiana

I do not know why this thread resides under Ohio State basketball. This kid never played for The Ohio State University and never really showed all a lot of interest in coming here. This thread probably should be moved to the 2011 and Beyond recruiting forum. Happy to note that he is having such a wonderful college basketball career.

BayBuck said:

You can say that again!!

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He won't, JLB hates us all now.

Buckeye86 said:

If half the things Zach Smith has thrown out there are true, it is understandable why. A guy who took the Peter principle to the utter limit that is also becoming more and more of a ineffective dinosaur in recruiting to boot.

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Zach Smith did go hard after him on his last podcast... not sure how exactly much to believe, but most of it makes sense. We lost a good amount of talented Midwest OL to ND. And not all of them could be under the excuse of "catholic school kids"

MistaBohmbastic said:

Was watching Bah and you can definitely see the potential but man I REALLY like Armella. OSU knew he was a stud before he entered his freshman yr. Hoping Bah and Teshbola don't prevent this kid from wearing the Scarlet and Grey

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What would Bah and Tsahboula have to do with him? There are 2 other G and T spots on the OL. I'm sure even with those 2, they're looking at adding 3 more OL, Armella would have room

buckmouse said:

A couple of his late shots hit the front of the rim.... I think he got beat up by Young & Key - as the round mound of rebound says - He was TURRED.....

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Garza gets away with a lot down there...felt like he was trying to rough our guys up...glad we threw it right back at him!

ScriptOhio said:

They are at #9 on Rivals: #2 Ohio State, 21 recruits, 3 five star players, 4.00 average rating, 2988 total points vs #9 scUM, 23 recruits, 0 five star players, 3.57 average rating, 2447 total points.

Other B1G teams:
# 14 Wisky
# 19 Corn
# 20 Turtle
# 24 Iowa
# 29 Ped State
# 36 Rutgers
# 37 Sparty
# 38 Gophers
# 54 Nerds
# 62 Indiana
# 72 Illinois
# 75 Purdue

Just sayin': I would have thought that Indiana would have done a little better than # 62 since they were coming off a very successful 2020 season. Hell, the Juggalos at #35 did better than 1/2 of the B1G.

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IU has almost never recruited well, mainly because there's not a lot of elite talent. And the elite talent they do have usually goes to ND or leaves the state. Not a surprise. IU sees success with under the radar kids like Wisconsin because they almost always lose the head to head recruiting battles to the big boys.
And the Juggalos have a great recruiting HC. Fickell obviously learned a lot from Tress and Urban about recruiting, and I've always said that getting success at UC isn't all that hard if they ever got a coach that focused on local Cincinnati(as well as the talent around Dayton and a little into Columbus) talent and then branched out to surrounding states. Kelly did that, Jones followed that and Fickell has done it as well. Dayton down to Cincinnati probably has as much talent as the whole state of Indiana(which most of the talent comes from a few schools)

My vision of all of you.