GuiFMRS said:

The only name from the list I would truly chase is Saban, I don't dislike Coach Day I think he can lead us to glory but structural changes need to be done in the program, you can't be 1-7 against top 5 teams specially when you are a top 5 team as well. Get another DC, analyse if it's worth it to continue with LJ and Frye and most importantly is it time for Marotti to go ? Also like you've said he needs to stop playing not to lose in these big games the Clemson game we lost was the opposite of that since then we've turtled a bit in some critical moments.

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ORD_Buckeye said:

Maybe some of the ones whose entire lives aren't wrapped up in being a tcun fan. For a lot of them, I really do believe that they are truly delusional and no amount of evidence will get them to process that it was because of the cheating. And of course, you have zero leadership and self-awareness coming out of the university administration, so there's no splash of reality coming from inside the building. No matter what the NCAA eventually releases, they'll say it was all a conspiracy to get Harbaugh and tsun, and they'll believe it.

Hell, we had some too. Tressel didn't lie to keep his players eligible; he was secretly working for the FBI. There was a perfectly reasonable explanation for why Urban scrubbed his cell phone. And I believe that they sincerely believed it with every fiber of their being. The foosball can be fun, but for some it can just melt their fucking brains.

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knuckifyoubuck said:

For those naming replacements, here is who you make offers to in order: Saban. Cignetti. Vrabel. Offer Nick $20m and let him say no. Then work down the list.

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knuckifyoubuck said:

For those saying this game doesn't matter: if we bond together, this could be what flips the switch and leads to a run for a title. If we fall apart, we drop one of our next games and all the sudden you aren't a shoe-in with 2 big ten losses despite the best roster according to Urban and Tressel. I think the game most definitely matters. Time will tell.

For those naming replacements, here is who you make offers to in order: Saban. Cignetti. Vrabel. Offer Nick $20m and let him say no. Then work down the list.

Day is 10-8 vs top 10.

Tressel was 12-8, Urban was 20-8. They were also national champions by year 3 and went 16-1 against UM too.

Personally, I've seen enough to now be in the camp of "I'll believe it when I see it" - disappointed in the defense and the same exact crap - we play not to lose and we should be the fucking cat. Ryan wanted to keep it close and steal the W... Almost did. Maybe next time attack, attack, and attack. Empty all your chambers.

No excuse for not knowing the rules - I am sorry - that's fucking nuts. We can agree to disagree on everything else but no fucking excuse to not know the rules. I don't see how we can win it all without luck, and losing the left tackle is fucking horrendous for our title shots, too. The weaknesses are going to stack up.

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Tomateaux Quinoa Gumbeaux said:

Until BK can show that he can’t stop stepping on his dick until his face turns purple I’ll believe that we’ll beat Bama

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NJ-Buckeye said:

What's interesting... posts blaming everyone who had some minor part in this loss... but THE ONE main reason we lost has been mostly ignored in this thread and on this site

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heisman said:

But that’s the reported infighting at the Woody. LJ doesn’t like Knowles’ 4-2 scheme. In a traditional 4-3, the OLB can set the edge. In a 4-2, the DE has to set the edge. You can’t really turn the DE’s loose if setting the edge is their primary responsibility.

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NFBuck said:

They know. They're just choosing to willfully ignore it because - 1) it diminishes the only 3 seasons worth a dam they've had in a quarter century, and 2) they know that their world is about to come crumbling down around them because of it. If they don't talk about it, it ain't there.

This isn't just one or two guys or a faction of their fanbase, it's EVERYONE. They simply do not acknowledge it. Part of it I'm sure is because anytime one of them starts to turn self aware and brings it up, the MoE quickly zaps the offending post

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NJ-Buckeye said:

What's interesting... posts blaming everyone who had some minor part in this loss... but THE ONE main reason we lost has been mostly ignored in this thread and on this site

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heisman said:

But that’s the reported infighting at the Woody. LJ doesn’t like Knowles’ 4-2 scheme. In a traditional 4-3, the OLB can set the edge. In a 4-2, the DE has to set the edge. You can’t really turn the DE’s loose if setting the edge is their primary responsibility.

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sparcboxbuck said:

I know, that’s why I’m going to file that under crazy ass shit. It was an opportunity that we missed out on that, had it just gone for a FG, would have been a difference maker.

Also why I consider It to be a team loss. Far too many examples of “just one thing” being different and we’d have a different outcome. That’s notwithstanding the instances that Oregon had that were similar… but it certainly felt like we had more than our fair share of those things.

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osubartender23 said:

But do they? So many of their fans still believe that the cheating had little to do with them winning. They also believe that Harbaughs a god and that no one is more important to their success than him. All you have to do is read their message boards to see this. They have their heads buried so far in the sand that is comical.

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ORD_Buckeye said:

For all the gnashing of teeth over Knowles, if there's one defensive coach that should be on the hot seat, it's LJ. Neither Sawyer nor JTT bothered to show up last night. In fact, both have historically been completely hot and cold from one week to the next. Overall last night for the team: 0 sacks and only 2 TFL. Maybe LJ really was this DL savant or maybe he just recruited three generational talents in a row in the Bosa Brothers and Young.

And that doesn't even factor in the rumors that he refuses to play nice with the person who's supposed to be his boss.

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heisman said:

But that’s the reported infighting at the Woody. LJ doesn’t like Knowles’ 4-2 scheme. In a traditional 4-3, the OLB can set the edge. In a 4-2, the DE has to set the edge. You can’t really turn the DE’s loose if setting the edge is their primary responsibility.

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RB07OSU said:

There is some saying about talk being cheap and I think it applies here. I want the confidence but if there is no execution, then it is simply talk.

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ORD_Buckeye said:

For all the gnashing of teeth over Knowles, if there's one defensive coach that should be on the hot seat, it's LJ. Neither Sawyer nor JTT bothered to show up last night. In fact, both have historically been completely hot and cold from one week to the next. Overall last night for the team: 0 sacks and only 2 TFL. Maybe LJ really was this DL savant or maybe he just recruited three generational talents in a row in the Bosa Brothers and Young.

And that doesn't even factor in the rumors that he refuses to play nice with the person who's supposed to be his boss.

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AKAK said:

I'm not going to rehash most of the many shortcomings you guys have already pointed out.

I will say, I think for both the players and coaches, I think this is the best possible time for the bye week.

It was just a sloppy game with shitty adjustments and they were from all the usual reasons, poor in game coaching, lack of discipline and the environment in the stadium (and the shit OPI)

But, we can't have dumb penalties (which had not been a problem), lose turnovers, manage the clock like ass and win against good teams on the road (and look, the missed kicks were not as big as that shank turned onside kick, I don't personally think Oregon deserves all that much credit and I think Lanning is a tool.)

Everyone part of the program needs to execute better, all 3 units, all the coaches, everyone. The defense needs to decide if its going to limit big plays or get the football. The offense needs to figure out how its going to account for the defense being able to dictate pressure because they're not scared of the deep ball. But mostly we need to build confidence based on sound execution and leadership.

We're going to have a pretty good idea on Nov 2 if we applied the lessons learned here or not. I realize everyone wants to get back after it but I think a week of camp can help.

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Mike80 said:

If Howard throws the out it's a 47-49 yarder instead. Much more makeable.

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