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Gizmo
RuGettinIt said:
He was laying on top of him on the ground and pulled the ball out
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They BOTH had hands on the ball in the air. Which would be shared possession, offense's ball... I 100% agree with this, and thought for sure that was going to be the case. BUT, since they're in the air, the play has to carry on through the ground. SO, as seen in the replays, the receiver lands on his back, and his hands come free of the ball. Hence, no possession through the ground. That's normally an incomplete pass. HOWEVER, db was able to secure the ball before it hit the ground. That's an INT.
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RuGettinIt
Gizmo said:
I don't recall the leadup to that play, and the refs weren't flagging anything that wasn't that blatant up to that point, but if the db makes contact playing the ball, then that's typically allowed anyway. He came away with the pick, so it's not like he wasn't playing the ball.

I've stated numerous times that the first Bills PI was the one I'd argue went against what they'd done all game to that point, but since the roughing the passer also occurred on that play, it was still going to be a first down and set up the rest. The 2nd PI had to be called. Dude was beat and tackled the receiver to prevent the game winning TD. Tackling a guy who beats you is a penalty in every sport, and leads to a penalty shot/kick in a few of them.
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He didn’t make the pick playing the ball though. There was no more or less contact on the 2 PIs called on Denver’s last drive.
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Gizmo
brodybuck21 said:
Im not disagreeing with that, my beef as a fan was Denver db made as much contact before ball arrived as buff dbs did on ensuing possession
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I don't recall the leadup to that play, and the refs weren't flagging anything that wasn't that blatant up to that point, but if the db makes contact playing the ball, then that's typically allowed anyway. He came away with the pick, so it's not like he wasn't playing the ball.

I've stated numerous times that the first Bills PI was the one I'd argue went against what they'd done all game to that point, but since the roughing the passer also occurred on that play, it was still going to be a first down and set up the rest. The 2nd PI had to be called. Dude was beat and tackled the receiver to prevent the game winning TD. Tackling a guy who beats you is a penalty in every sport, and leads to a penalty shot/kick in a few of them.
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RuGettinIt
Gizmo said:
my understanding of football at every level is if the attempt is made while in the air, the ball must be secured through the ground. He hit the ground, his hands left the ball, therefore he lost possession...... It just happened that he lost possession into someone else's hands, and not to the ground.
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Yeah and did he make a football move and did he take two steps and ……
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brodybuck21
Gizmo said:
my understanding of football at every level is if the attempt is made while in the air, the ball must be secured through the ground. He hit the ground, his hands left the ball, therefore he lost possession...... It just happened that he lost possession into someone else's hands, and not to the ground.
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Im not disagreeing with that, my beef as a fan was Denver db made as much contact before ball arrived as buff dbs did on ensuing possession
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Gizmo
JohnnyCockfight said:
Yes, I thought the interception call was correct - the WR needs to keep that ball secured and he did not. Not on Allen. But those 2 PI calls were not consistent with the contact the refs were allowing both sides to commit leading up to that drive. And that is the most inappropriate time in a game to make that change.
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I agree the PI calls were not that consistant at the end, but blatantly tackling a guy who's beaten you by 5 yards for the game winning TD HAS to be called. The first one was the iffy one, for sure, but it happened on the same play with the late hit to the QB, and thus becomes a moot point, anyway.
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Gizmo
AuTX Buckeye said:
When his knee hits or his body?
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my understanding of football at every level is if the attempt is made while in the air, the ball must be secured through the ground. He hit the ground, his hands left the ball, therefore he lost possession...... It just happened that he lost possession into someone else's hands, and not to the ground.
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NFL Discussion (Official Thread)

CMic
JohnnyCockfight said:
Yes, I thought the interception call was correct - the WR needs to keep that ball secured and he did not. Not on Allen. But those 2 PI calls were not consistent with the contact the refs were allowing both sides to commit leading up to that drive. And that is the most inappropriate time in a game to make that change.
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Plus, unlike college, the NFL doesn’t like to override the field call unless it’s obvious.
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NFBuck
CMic said:
We’ll, they’re going to have to find weapons on the draft, cuz their QB makes $55M.
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Admittedly I don’t know much about NFL cap gymnastics, but you hear about contracts being restructured for cap relief all the time. They might have to go that route if possible. They’re pissing away his prime.
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JohnnyCockfight
Yes, I thought the interception call was correct - the WR needs to keep that ball secured and he did not. Not on Allen. But those 2 PI calls were not consistent with the contact the refs were allowing both sides to commit leading up to that drive. And that is the most inappropriate time in a game to make that change.
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AuTX Buckeye
Gizmo said:
what screw call? Guy hit ground and ball popped out. If it pops out onto the ground it's an INC, but if it pops into the defender's hands it's not an INT?
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It didn’t pop into his hands. Cooks had it db was touching him. He’s down. Again that’s a completed pass 99.9% of the time.
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Gizmo
Gizmo said:
what screw call? Guy hit ground and ball popped out. If it pops out onto the ground it's an INC, but if it pops into the defender's hands it's not an INT?
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And I'll add that as a Broncos fan, I thought, at first it was gonna be clear shared possession and Bills ball, but on replay, you can see his hands leave the ball when he hits the ground, so the possession was broke before it was established.
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