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2026-27 Ohio State Men's Basketball

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DZ83CK said:
NIL is based on wealthy donors contributing to the program. Duke has a ton of NBA guys, so does Kentucky, UNC, Kansas. OSU doesn't have that many former NBA guys to kick in to NIL. Some other programs might not have a rich history of pros, but they might have other rich donors instead who have fortunes from big oil or big tech. OSU has Les Wexner, who apparently has no interest in contributing to NIL, and no other billionaire donors. Most college athletic departments don't make money, and even OSU's profits are limited, we're talking $5M to $20M profit per year, and it's variable. Ideally the athletic department would cut down on costs and find a way to invest more in NIL, but that's not what higher education does, everything always gets bigger and more expensive. So they have to rely on wealthy donors, who aren't all that plentiful.
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I know "but look at Michigan" is a fun go to but scUM has been able to do it because they've pretty much currently waived the white flag and accepted that their football team is mostly ceiling capped at 9-3 type seasons and not being a serious threat for titles at all and have instead just thrown the sink at hoops now.
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2026-27 Ohio State Men's Basketball

DZ83CK
shetuck said:
well... right... i understand that the funding isn't there, obviously.

what i don't understand is why the funding isn't there. we probably have one of, if not the wealthiest athletic departments in the country. other schools which shall remain nameless, seem to manage to do it. what's the blocking point for us?
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NIL is based on wealthy donors contributing to the program. Duke has a ton of NBA guys, so does Kentucky, UNC, Kansas. OSU doesn't have that many former NBA guys to kick in to NIL. Some other programs might not have a rich history of pros, but they might have other rich donors instead who have fortunes from big oil or big tech. OSU has Les Wexner, who apparently has no interest in contributing to NIL, and no other billionaire donors. Most college athletic departments don't make money, and even OSU's profits are limited, we're talking $5M to $20M profit per year, and it's variable. Ideally the athletic department would cut down on costs and find a way to invest more in NIL, but that's not what higher education does, everything always gets bigger and more expensive. So they have to rely on wealthy donors, who aren't all that plentiful.
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2026-27 Ohio State Men's Basketball

shetuck
DZ83CK said:
The coach isn't the problem as much as the funding is the problem. Coaches like Calipari and May chose not to come to OSU because the roster funding was better elsewhere. OSU football is the priority for roster funding. OSU men's basketball absolutely is in a position where the coach has to take some gambles on high upside players to make up for not being able to buy the best players.
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well... right... i understand that the funding isn't there, obviously.

what i don't understand is why the funding isn't there. we probably have one of, if not the wealthiest athletic departments in the country. other schools which shall remain nameless, seem to manage to do it. what's the blocking point for us?
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2026-27 Ohio State Men's Basketball

DZ83CK
Onebuckfan said:
So OSU needs the best coach capable of doing more with less. A coach that enhances super stars need not apply.
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I don't think that I would go that far. They can get one star per season like Anthony Thompson or Bruce Thornton, and when those stars come they do get enhanced. Bruce Thornton developed really well over 4 years, he was getting better and better every season. But they will not have a team of stars. They have to win with building good teams that work together and doing well scouting, projecting and developing guys that aren't the highest end recruits.
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2026-27 Ohio State Men's Basketball

DZ83CK
shetuck said:
i don't understand, given the overall financial strength of the athletic department, why OSU can't (won't?) get the best coach capable of doing more with more. we're not some midrate outfit... go get it. we have the money. it's a choice.
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The coach isn't the problem as much as the funding is the problem. Coaches like Calipari and May chose not to come to OSU because the roster funding was better elsewhere. OSU football is the priority for roster funding. OSU men's basketball absolutely is in a position where the coach has to take some gambles on high upside players to make up for not being able to buy the best players.
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2026-27 Ohio State Men's Basketball

shetuck
Onebuckfan said:
So OSU needs the best coach capable of doing more with less. A coach that enhances super stars need not apply.
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i don't understand, given the overall financial strength of the athletic department, why OSU can't (won't?) get the best coach capable of doing more with more. we're not some midrate outfit... go get it. we have the money. it's a choice.
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2026-27 Ohio State Men's Basketball

DZ83CK
calibuck said:
Almost a Catch 22. The 'good' portal guys will command top dollar, and there's a race to get them. If you don't march up with a bag of cash, they'll go elsewhere. Take your time, they're gone, and the shopping list starts on the second tier. Less money, but more risky. Wait too long, called analysis paralysis, and you're not going to get the difference makers. Move too soon, might not get the fit with current roster that you want. Not saying anything we don't already know, but sometimes gotta bring out the basics. Here's hoping Diebs.
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It's definitely a tough game for OSU to have to play. The game outside of the game. They can't pay up to get the top players in the portal, but they have to find guys who can be part of a team that can compete with them, which is where scouting and projection comes into play. For example, Cal hit a home run with Pippen, who barely played at M but was HM all-ACC for the Bears. If Diebler can coach up Jelavic, you never know, he could have a breakout season, but finding the guys in the portal that have untapped potential is critical for a program like OSU.
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2026-27 Ohio State Men's Basketball

calibuck
Almost a Catch 22. The 'good' portal guys will command top dollar, and there's a race to get them. If you don't march up with a bag of cash, they'll go elsewhere. Take your time, they're gone, and the shopping list starts on the second tier. Less money, but more risky. Wait too long, called analysis paralysis, and you're not going to get the difference makers. Move too soon, might not get the fit with current roster that you want. Not saying anything we don't already know, but sometimes gotta bring out the basics. Here's hoping Diebs.
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Columbus Symphony Orchestra wants to build $275 million performance space

calibuck
Where we live in California, we have a symphony. Volunteer, and players are both graybeards and young fresh faces. Common thread is a love to play music. Sounds actually very good, and do enjoy sitting in the theater for a listen. Heartily recommend such a venue in Columbus, as there is an element of people that would support the arts. Just not convinced that that kind of money for 1,600 folk is a worthwhile investment. Especially if it's a 'paying' proposition. Ticket prices would have to be ginormous. Might want to consider a 'stretch' venue, that could be configured to accommodate other types of entertainment. Since symphonies don't play each week, might consider defraying the cost of this thing in other ways. Also, access. Down C'bus is congested, so parking is at a premium. Maybe locate somewhere close to people, but have some open land for parking, etc. PS, my ear isn't that finely tuned, but from those that know, an auditorium that is tuned is a marvelous thing. Not entirely certain the Ohio Theater can be retrofitted without mega-bucks being spent.
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2026-27 Ohio State Men's Basketball

buckeyemania11
DZ83CK said:
Agreed Pippen is a good get, but Jelavic seems just OK. Certainly they will add more players, it's not over by a longshot, but ideally we'll have more quality depth than last season.
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The goodness of the Jelavic pickup really depends on Josh O. If they are that confident in Josh O I hope they are right. Jelavic off the bench as a change of pace is a good get but if he ends up having to be the guy they heavily lean on there it's not that good.
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2026-27 Ohio State Men's Basketball

DZ83CK
buckeyemania11 said:
I actually love the Pippen pickup. They definitely need another guard who can at minimum push him though and id like to see a SF type who can at least hope to push Thompson
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Agreed Pippen is a good get, but Jelavic seems just OK. Certainly they will add more players, it's not over by a longshot, but ideally we'll have more quality depth than last season.
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2026-27 Ohio State Men's Basketball

buckeyemania11
DZ83CK said:
I don't like rushing things. I think they rushed it last season, they went and almost immediately got Gabe Cupps, which did not turn out well. If they are paying a premium to get these guys committed early, it's dumb. There's certainly no reason to push to get Jelavic quickly - not sure what the amount of NIL they're going to give him is, and it had better not be very much based on his production at UK, but I worry they might have went and given him whatever amount he asked for in order for him to commit this quickly.

I'm certainly hoping they have money to get another good player to add to the rotation, and if they don't, it's a sign of poor money management. They supposedly have money to spend on the portal this season, so if Justin Pippen is clearly the best they get & no other big names come on board, then they will have failed. I agree that it's a worry about the team being soft next season. I believe Josh O will help provide more of an interior presence that they otherwise lacked this season, Jelavic is a better rebounder than Tilly, and Pippen at least works to get rebounds from the guard position (not going to be able to match Bruce there but can come close).
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I actually love the Pippen pickup. They definitely need another guard who can at minimum push him though and id like to see a SF type who can at least hope to push Thompson
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2026-27 Ohio State Men's Basketball

DZ83CK
buckeyemania11 said:
I do like the approach better this year they seem to be being more aggressive. Pippen I think is a great pickup and Jelavic at least had some production in a power conference.

Potential is probably still there with Jelavic but it's just that softness worry that always comes with Euro bigs. As long as Josh O stays healthy it's a good combo though.
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I don't like rushing things. I think they rushed it last season, they went and almost immediately got Gabe Cupps, which did not turn out well. If they are paying a premium to get these guys committed early, it's dumb. There's certainly no reason to push to get Jelavic quickly - not sure what the amount of NIL they're going to give him is, and it had better not be very much based on his production at UK, but I worry they might have went and given him whatever amount he asked for in order for him to commit this quickly.

I'm certainly hoping they have money to get another good player to add to the rotation, and if they don't, it's a sign of poor money management. They supposedly have money to spend on the portal this season, so if Justin Pippen is clearly the best they get & no other big names come on board, then they will have failed. I agree that it's a worry about the team being soft next season. I believe Josh O will help provide more of an interior presence that they otherwise lacked this season, Jelavic is a better rebounder than Tilly, and Pippen at least works to get rebounds from the guard position (not going to be able to match Bruce there but can come close).
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