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Lane Kiffin (HC LSU)

How so? If he doesn’t win a national championship in 3-4 years he’s going to get canned.
let me rephrase.
LSU has a lot more advantages than Ole Miss ever will.

those advantages do come with expectations though.
On a less confrontational note, I thought they were looking for a culture fit this time around. Is Kiffin a culture fit?

“cultural fit” is a phrase i always laughed at.
can you coach?

that’s the only important question.
Nick Saban wasn’t a “cultural fit”
Les Miles wasn’t either.

but both were very successful here.
Ed O was as perfect of a “cultural fit” as possible. But he’s an incompetent neanderthal so he flamed out as soon as all the assistants left.
Brian Kelly was actually the exact fit we needed for years 1 & 2. Just stop the bleeding and stabilize things. Just sure as shit wasn’t the right fit for anything after that.

I was hoping to get someone like Brent Key.
But they didn’t call for my vote.

wait. What happens when he hires Ed O. as his DC?

DLine coach is the highest up the ladder any one will offer that guy.
Looking good to keep Baker as DC at the moment (if he doesn’t get a HC job at Tulane)
It will be funny watching LSU sink further into the toilet. Should have kept Coach O.

Compare what O did at Ole Miss to what Kiffin did at Ole Miss.

not even on same planet as each other.
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HC Ryan Day (B1G Coach of Year, B1G Champion, National Champion)

You have to be rock solid in your belief in that efficiency. :lol:

You think about it though, and I'm glad you brought his up because it's been one thing I've been looking at all year the same way as you-like what in the hell is he doing? ...it's a refinement of Tresselball.

The old school, defense and field position philosophy was always said to be the "surest path to victory" and I argued my ass off during the Tressel years that that was no longer the case. Offenses have gotten better, they won't make as many self inflicted wounds if you just try to keep it in front of you and protect a 7 point lead with a rested defense.

Early Urban Meyer philosophy was score in volume and fuck resting the defense. Defense is there to get the offense the ball back. This was a swing too far the other way and all that volume dilutes the efficiency.

This is the perfect update, if you are going to compete on skill, because you are beating people with a rate stat while 95% of them are still thinking in absolute numbers/counting stats. "We ran for more yards, we will win"

This approach is sort of like saying I can hold my breath longer than you so I'm going to take air out of the room and wait for you to keel over.

It's fascinating to me and once I saw it, I was even more impressed with the change in Day. It's fucking ruthless and smart. I love it.
I’m too old to recite each year the rules changed and under which coach….

But there was absolutely a time, when college games basically lasted 5 hours and the clock stoppages created an insane amount of possessions.

So offenses rightfully wasted to exploit tired defenses and error on the side of defensive mental mistakes instead of executing their offense at an elite level.

Fast forward to today, where college is now NFL-lite (which I hate) but it makes sense to play the game like an NFL team. Clean possessions, minimize TO’s, and force your opponent to “out execute” you if they can.

In retrospect, what made Tressel-ball so crazy, is it took extra emphasis over a much longer period of time in a game, to win. It probably didn’t seem like a lot, but I’d guess there was 3-4 more minutes of actual gameplay during Tressel’s years….
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HC Ryan Day (B1G Coach of Year, B1G Champion, National Champion)

The ducking, the cheating, the flag planting...

To paraphrase:

All they've done is wake a sleeping giant and fill it with a terrible resolve.

They thought they were seeing the future. It was a mirage and behind the mirage, Ryan fucking Day was building a fully operational Death Star.

Fuck TSUN
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Game Thread THE GAME: #1 tOSU at tCun, Sat. Nov. 29th, 12 pm ET, FOX

Re: Refs. The chippy shit starts immediately. I haven’t watched that much of Michigan, but I recall #7 throwing punches “trying to knock the ball out” in the Oklahoma game and only getting called on it once. Pulled the same shit in the USC game and it‘s not called. Throws about four punches on one of Jackson’s early runs.

Other Michigan players are pushing and shoving after every play.

Buck’s second series, Sayin hits Jackson who carries it to the 50. #10 runs at least ten yards to get in Jackson‘s grill and begins to mouth off.

I understand the refs trying not to get into the game and I’m watching with a bias, but it looked to me like Michigan was trying to goad the Bucks into a fight. My question is why the refs didn’t call both coaches out to midfield for a come to Jesus meeting; knock off the bull shit or we start throwing flags and tossing players - BEFORE the head butting incident.
Because the refs are bitches. It's the same reason that the NCAA didn't hammer the cheaters.
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HC Ryan Day (B1G Coach of Year, B1G Champion, National Champion)

I’d just say….

Do you know the insane amount of convincing this must have taken for Day to agree to this…

It’s not in his nature and never was….until this year. It’s been the right call though….

You have to be rock solid in your belief in that efficiency. :lol:

You think about it though, and I'm glad you brought his up because it's been one thing I've been looking at all year the same way as you-like what in the hell is he doing? ...it's a refinement of Tresselball.

The old school, defense and field position philosophy was always said to be the "surest path to victory" and I argued my ass off during the Tressel years that that was no longer the case. Offenses have gotten better, they won't make as many self inflicted wounds if you just try to keep it in front of you and protect a 7 point lead with a rested defense.

Early Urban Meyer philosophy was score in volume and fuck resting the defense. Defense is there to get the offense the ball back. This was a swing too far the other way and all that volume dilutes the efficiency.

This is the perfect update, if you are going to compete on skill, because you are beating people with a rate stat while 95% of them are still thinking in absolute numbers/counting stats. "We ran for more yards, we will win"

This approach is sort of like saying I can hold my breath longer than you so I'm going to take air out of the room and wait for you to keel over.

It's fascinating to me and once I saw it, I was even more impressed with the change in Day. It's fucking ruthless and smart. I love it.

HC Ryan Day (B1G Coach of Year, B1G Champion, National Champion)

I think it's actually ruthlessly smart, he's saying my #1 weapon is my teams skill which manifests itself in stats as efficiency.

When you gain more yards and points per play than opponents and convert third downs better then it's counter intuitive genius to limit the number of plays because you get so much more out of every play than they do.

Forget taking air out of the ball, you are taking it from their lungs.
I’d just say….

Do you know the insane amount of convincing this must have taken for Day to agree to this…

It’s not in his nature and never was….until this year. It’s been the right call though….
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HC Ryan Day (B1G Coach of Year, B1G Champion, National Champion)

Wanted to comment on something I’ve found extremely unique to this years team….

We run the fewest amount of plays per game. It’s insanely counter-intuitive, as Day always liked a bit of tempo and to maximize amount of possessions. And common wisdom is, if you have the better players, you want more possessions bc over the course of a game, the extra possessions will favor the better team.

But Day has been pretty pissed over last few years over the amount of possessions per game when a team slows pace and tries to shorten game.

To his credit, he gave up on trying to increase possessions per game, and focused on maximizing points per possession. And to maximize that stat, they take more time between plays to make sure they will execute play to its maximum potential. They play slower but execute at a higher level.

I found this strategy to be very odd as it played out throughout season, but I’ll give him his flowers. It’s not necessarily the most exciting, but it has worked extremely well. It’s like he’s beating our opponents at their game….with much better players. He took lemons and made lemonade…

I think it's actually ruthlessly smart, he's saying my #1 weapon is my teams skill which manifests itself in stats as efficiency.

When you gain more yards and points per play than opponents and convert third downs better then it's counter intuitive genius to limit the number of plays because you get so much more out of every play than they do.

Forget taking air out of the ball, you are taking it from their lungs.
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HC Ryan Day (B1G Coach of Year, B1G Champion, National Champion)

Just for context Michigan ran 42 plays and Stanford ran 70 against Notre Dame. Our D rests during games.
Yeah, it’s interesting bc the common theme going on right now is “well he wants to keep the starters fresh”.

I actually don’t think that’s it necessarily….its a nice byproduct though.

He got sick and tired of a half where we got (2) possessions and if we didn’t execute perfectly we were in tight games against average to bad teams.

I think he said “fuck it”. College wants to keep the clock running all the time and shorten the game, we’ll just adjust and become the best at it.

He preferred “old” college clock rules but for the first year has leaned into the new rules (which suck IMO) but maximized the teams Points per possession.

And to your point, it absolutely keeps the defense fresh.
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2025 scUM Shenanigans, Arguments, Arrogant Twatwaffles, Emasculated Cucks, Feckless Marmots, Dirty Cheaters "Mid"chigan

Ah yes....the fan base that was up in arms about our players NIL deals last year. They've got the 12 million dollar man and the world's worst taste in jewelry racking up almost 100 yards of offense combined.
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2025 scUM Shenanigans, Arguments, Arrogant Twatwaffles, Emasculated Cucks, Feckless Marmots, Dirty Cheaters "Mid"chigan

It's gonna be hard for them to lure in great WR talent from the portal. The offense is not WR friendly and they presumably have a #1 WR in Marsh for the next 2-3 years.

Being the #2 WR on scUM you are like the 4th option in the passing game of a heavy rush offense with the amount of times they check down to the TEs and RBs

Maybe even 5th or 6th option in the passing game once you factor in the opponent’s defensive backs. Igbinosun had more catches than Marsh on Saturday, so…
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Game Thread THE GAME: #1 tOSU at tCun, Sat. Nov. 29th, 12 pm ET, FOX

Re: Refs. The chippy shit starts immediately. I haven’t watched that much of Michigan, but I recall #7 throwing punches “trying to knock the ball out” in the Oklahoma game and only getting called on it once. Pulled the same shit in the USC game and it‘s not called. Throws about four punches on one of Jackson’s early runs.

Other Michigan players are pushing and shoving after every play.

Buck’s second series, Sayin hits Jackson who carries it to the 50. #10 runs at least ten yards to get in Jackson‘s grill and begins to mouth off.

I understand the refs trying not to get into the game and I’m watching with a bias, but it looked to me like Michigan was trying to goad the Bucks into a fight. My question is why the refs didn’t call both coaches out to midfield for a come to Jesus meeting; knock off the bull shit or we start throwing flags and tossing players - BEFORE the head butting incident.
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HC Ryan Day (B1G Coach of Year, B1G Champion, National Champion)

Wanted to comment on something I’ve found extremely unique to this years team….

We run the fewest amount of plays per game. It’s insanely counter-intuitive, as Day always liked a bit of tempo and to maximize amount of possessions. And common wisdom is, if you have the better players, you want more possessions bc over the course of a game, the extra possessions will favor the better team.

But Day has been pretty pissed over last few years over the amount of possessions per game when a team slows pace and tries to shorten game.

To his credit, he gave up on trying to increase possessions per game, and focused on maximizing points per possession. And to maximize that stat, they take more time between plays to make sure they will execute play to its maximum potential. They play slower but execute at a higher level.

I found this strategy to be very odd as it played out throughout season, but I’ll give him his flowers. It’s not necessarily the most exciting, but it has worked extremely well. It’s like he’s beating our opponents at their game….with much better players. He took lemons and made lemonade…
Just for context Michigan ran 42 plays and Stanford ran 70 against Notre Dame. Our D rests during games.
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2025 College Football Playoffs Discussion (12 Team Format)

My main point is that whatever an opponent does after you play them is out of your control and should have zero impact on your season from there.

What if their QB gets hurt, or a scum bag coach leaves in the middle of the night and takes his staff with him? Anything can happen after you beat a team, why would you possibly want to open the door for any of that to punish you? I am all for scheduling changes but that is not anything I ever want to see get implemented.
You have a fair point and I don't have an answer. You think you're going to be all awesome by scheduling a team that lost in the semifinals last year: Penn State. You shouldn't be "punished" because your "strong" team finished 6-6.
So, how do you incentivize a team to schedule Texas, or Georgia, or I mean, name anyone here. I know a lot of the SEC teams get criticized for scheduling too many shlubs. Should that continue? Maybe the answer is "yes - let everyone schedule whoever they want for OOC." If that's the case, then fine. But if Texas thinks they should schedule only shlubs to minimize the chances of losing, then they're going to schedule only shlubs.

I'm sure I'm worried about this more than I should be. But I'd like to see more of these big OOC matchups.

End communication.
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Game Thread THE GAME: #1 tOSU at tCun, Sat. Nov. 29th, 12 pm ET, FOX

Aw hell. I don't want to defend them.
But no one won in 2020. We all know what should have happened. We all know what did happen. But we didn't win. So the previous time Ohio State won was 2019. It's a loophole that makes them sound awesome, and they're technically correct.
And it's the number of days since Ohio State beat the cheaters. So, right now, it has been 1 day since Ohio State beat the cheaters. Start counting, because it will get up around 365 days since Ohio State beat the cheaters. It's currently around 365 days since the cheaters beat Ohio State.
They ALSO didn't beat Ohio State in 2020. That technicality cuts both ways.
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2025 scUM Shenanigans, Arguments, Arrogant Twatwaffles, Emasculated Cucks, Feckless Marmots, Dirty Cheaters "Mid"chigan

Surprised they’re that young. Outside of the 3 underclassmen you mentioned, most of their key players are upperclassmen or out of eligibility. They’ll have to use the portal to create depth at QB and RB, unless they plan on Kuzdzal being the backup until Hiter is ready. Same at DL and LB.

I’m also not sure how much Underwood improving will help a grind-it-out offense. He isn’t athletic enough to take over a game, and they either don’t want him to or he’s not willing to run enough to supplement the RBs. If he does improve, they still need a good passing scheme and more than 1 good WR.

It's gonna be hard for them to lure in great WR talent from the portal. The offense is not WR friendly and they presumably have a #1 WR in Marsh for the next 2-3 years.

Being the #2 WR on scUM you are like the 4th option in the passing game of a heavy rush offense with the amount of times they check down to the TEs and RBs
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Game Thread THE GAME: #1 tOSU at tCun, Sat. Nov. 29th, 12 pm ET, FOX

We're going to win with humility. - Ryan Day

That shit will never be part of the scum mantra
Because those cheating CUNTS' entire lore is built on barn-storming mercenaries from 125 years ago when they "won" all those "national championships" by beating up on high schools with a bunch of professional players. There's a reason they were kicked out of the conference for ten years.
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HC Ryan Day (B1G Coach of Year, B1G Champion, National Champion)

Wanted to comment on something I’ve found extremely unique to this years team….

We run the fewest amount of plays per game. It’s insanely counter-intuitive, as Day always liked a bit of tempo and to maximize amount of possessions. And common wisdom is, if you have the better players, you want more possessions bc over the course of a game, the extra possessions will favor the better team.

But Day has been pretty pissed over last few years over the amount of possessions per game when a team slows pace and tries to shorten game.

To his credit, he gave up on trying to increase possessions per game, and focused on maximizing points per possession. And to maximize that stat, they take more time between plays to make sure they will execute play to its maximum potential. They play slower but execute at a higher level.

I found this strategy to be very odd as it played out throughout season, but I’ll give him his flowers. It’s not necessarily the most exciting, but it has worked extremely well. It’s like he’s beating our opponents at their game….with much better players. He took lemons and made lemonade…

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