BB73 said:

I think the default timing should be:

Don’t substitute unless there’s a stoppage in play, get in a formation around 17 seconds left, have the QB signal the formation shift and play call in the next 2 seconds, then hike it quickly after the shift. This prevents the defense from getting in fresh bodies, and prevents them from getting communication from the coaches, which is shut off at the 15-second mark.

That gives you a defense that has to shift on their own after your formation change, has minimal time to do so if you hike it quickly, and will get tired after a few plays that are coming less than 30 seconds apart without being able to sub. One disadvantage is that there is usually no motion after the formation shift to help identify zone-vs-man.

Doing that on a regular basis should allow for consistent execution. And I’d rather see a 12-possession game for tOSU than a 10-possession game.

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billmac91 said:

I mostly agree, but thought Miami showed right off the bat, we weren’t going to win with efficiency. Once Rueben Bain wrecked our offensive line, IMO, you have basically now conceded the efficiency game on that side of the ball.

I touched on this in another thread, but the problem with going slow is it allows specific defensive play-calls, including stunts to come in. Going tempo puts the defense in a “base” package which eliminates 95% of the exotic calls a defense may have. They can mix-up coverage in the backend a bit, but it’s usually very vanilla as well.

To start the 3rd Q, we finally went tempo a bit. It wasn’t Ole Miss fast, but a couple times we didn’t huddle, and we usually snapped the ball with about 22-23 seconds left on play clock.

I’m the first to admit, it’s hard to decipher the offensive success to start the 3rd Q with going more tempo versus Miami just going more vanilla to protect a 14-0 lead.

That said, when you going against comparable talent, especially elite talent at DE where that position specifically, can wreck games, you need to neutralize that threat. Tempo can absolutely do that. Indiana and Miami both used stunts to destroy our offensive line…..I really think tempo would’ve neutralized that bc stunts are typically signaled in once a defense has a chance to see offensive alignment.

I’m also very confident, for example, the pick 6 Sayin threw, is likely just a busted play rather than an interception if that comes from tempo. The ability to read and react to shifts and tendencies they’ve seen on tape, really allows Miami to play “downhill” in the first half, whereas it felt like we were playing on our heels.

I 100% get the efficiency argument and how effective it can be. I’d argue, especially with Sayin missing wide open throws (probably bc he’s a freshman?) that playing for nearly perfect execution is likely a mistake against a team with a very good, if not elite, defensive line.

Also, and not to pile on, but if Day wants to go down the efficiency rabbit hole, he better learn clock management, bc he flat out sucks at managing it. When you minimize our teams possessions by playing so slow, at least understand the best use of TO’s to maximize opportunity. It’s really not hard to get a GA, or even clock “expert” to be on staff to advise best use of TO’s….tons of coaches have humbly acknowledged they’re too engrossed in the game to make great decisions with end of half or end of game TO’s. He’s brutal at it….

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inliner311 said:

I think the explosive plays were limited by Sayin. Alot of explosive plays came from the crossing routes which seems out of the offense. I think it's because Sayin doesn't see the middle of the field well because of his height.

The other part is Sayin is extremely safe with the ball. I'm not sure we have seen a QB that rather take the shorter pass than the more risky deep pass at this level at Ohio State since Day has been HC. His risk assessment is off for the talent we have at WR. If we had average WR talent he might be warranted to take these kind of throws. Our WRs talent change the calculus on how risky a throw is. Will Howard basically understood that and said it in interviews.

The wow plays by our WRs definitely went down this season because Sayin is only throwing to receivers that are very open. He doesn't like throwing to a WR that has to make a contested catch.

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inliner311 said:

I think the explosive plays were limited by Sayin. Alot of explosive plays came from the crossing routes which seems out of the offense. I think it's because Sayin doesn't see the middle of the field well because of his height.

The other part is Sayin is extremely safe with the ball. I'm not sure we have seen a QB that rather take the shorter pass than the more risky deep pass at this level at Ohio State since Day has been HC. His risk assessment is off for the talent we have at WR. If we had average WR talent he might be warranted to take these kind of throws. Our WRs talent change the calculus on how risky a throw is. Will Howard basically understood that and said it in interviews.

The wow plays by our WRs definitely went down this season because Sayin is only throwing to receivers that are very open. He doesn't like throwing to a WR that has to make a contested catch.

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cmstophe said:

The entire offensive mentality needs overhauled. I assume that comes with a new veteran OC, need a slam dunk hire.

The “limit possessions,” slow, plodding, lack of explosion deal on offense needs to be thrown in the trash can. It only ever made sense if they were doing it to keep them fresh and would turn it up when the time came. That was the bill of goods we were sold.

Turns out it was all BS. So… what was the actual reason for lack of explosives with this talent? What was the reason for playing so miserably slow and limiting your possessions so severely? These are all questions that need answered, and addressed, and I presume a new playcaller will be the first domino to addressing them.

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Jaxbuck said:

That is not what they said. They touched on the basic problem when they quoted Day. If you don't execute (get first downs) then going "faster" just hands the ball back to the opponent faster.

The problem was execution, not speed. We just saw two games in a row where the young QB was visibly sped up, confused and making mistakes because of what better defenses were doing to him. Unfortunately, speeding up a guy who's not able to execute already just isn't going to work.

The problem wasn't the speed, it was the young QB's development (along with the OL issues).

Going forward, if you have a skill advantage the best strategy is efficiency. In some tactical situations you can absolutely apply tempo but as a high level approach, efficiency is the best path if you are the more skilled team.

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BB73 said:

He’s at $500,000 and counting from the team he bailed on.

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SEREbuckeye said:

I’m pulling for the kid - never want to see anyone fail. But this stat is pretty alarming

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billmac91 said:

This is the exact type of player I referenced in a different thread…I’m sure he’d be good under the new DC, but this is a kid who has been learning how to play in a specific system (Ravens defense) and ready to step in as a leader and tackling machine.

I can’t speak to the similarities of the new DC coming in from BYU (Jay Hill) to what Wink Martingdale, Jesse Minter, Mike McDonald did, but there was a clear style Michigan recruited and developed for. I foresee a significant defensive drop off due to a change in the system.

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1926Buckeyes said:

Seems to be harder to accept when a team hits a wall because there’s not as much you can do about it. Sometimes you have to ride the storm out with the guys you have and work to fix it afterwards.

Sayin had a great year, but there’s at least 2 clips on him missing wide open guys for TDs. The obvious one to Klare before the INT return, and a 90 yarder to Tate that he had all the way, looked past him, and threw it over the head of the RB. Neither are easy throws, as there was static in the pocket, but both are throws he makes midseason. Someone else mentioned it, but UCLA was the first to figure out pressure that bothered Sayin, they just sucked. He’ll get better.

When the QB is a great talent and they see the field, Day’s offense will shred even the best defenses. When they don’t see it, you get the last two games. Plus the OL was not helpful.

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buckeyemania11 said:

This is essentially a starter transferring

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