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Google Former Ohio State Offensive Lineman Kirk Barton Charged With Aggravated Vehicular Homicide Following Fatal Accident In Dublin – Buckeye Sports Bulleti

Former Ohio State Offensive Lineman Kirk Barton Charged With Aggravated Vehicular Homicide Following Fatal Accident In Dublin – Buckeye Sports Bulletin - Buckeye Sports Bulletin
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OL Kirk Barton (Don't tase me Bro!)

BB73
Jaxbuck said:
Some can, some can’t. Some kill for drug money. Some do incredibly reckless shit under the influence like this. Some recover.

There is no stat that I am aware that tells us what “most” addicts are like. It’s an extremely individual experience.
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There are millions of people with addictions. I believe that stats would indicate that the number who kill others while driving recklessly is in the thousands, perhaps the tens of thousands.

Although all addicts have their individual experiences, simple math indicates that “most” aren‘t driving in such an extremely reckless manner.
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OL Kirk Barton (Don't tase me Bro!)

BB73
LordJeffBuck said:
I'd like to echo what @Jaxbuck and @Tanner had to say and add this: You can't cure a medical condition (addition/mental illness) with criminal penalties. Jail time isn't going to reform or deter the addict, so all that society is left with is retribution against a sick person. Seems like a losing proposition to me....
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I don‘t accept that “all society is left with is retribution against a sick person”.

Jail time can certainly prevent him doing the same thing and killing or severely injuring somebody else during the next several years.

It is also possible that long sentences are a deterrent to some other potential drunk drivers, thus reducing the number of these tragedies.

I am far more sympathetic towards the family of the deceased young man than the addicted person that recklessly killed him. But I’m not trying to imply that anybody else isn’t also sympathetic to that family.
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They have won 10 of 15, would have been 11 of 15 with Santillan not setting up on Saturday, which apparently is in effect now, consistent with my request. Nice job by Richardson today.

The bullpen is not real great in general, but it feels like it's mainly Santillan dragging them down. They just need to fix the 8th inning, then I think they'll be pretty good.

Zulueta is back on the team. Maybe they intend to move Zulu into the setup role fairly soon and hopefully going with Richardson in the 8th until Zulu is ready. Just hoping he can do it.
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OL Kirk Barton (Don't tase me Bro!)

Jaxbuck
Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
I think the key is an addict must hit whatever is their rock bottom. They have to decide "I can't do this anymore " It cannot be taught. They either find that or they won't. I hope this is enough the Kirk finally realizes he can't do it any more... but, I have no idea what his rock bottom is.
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I’m not a therapist but I do know that addicts have to understand the mechanisms that cause the issues so in that sense of the word there is some “taught” to it but totally agree a rock bottom is part of that process.

The whole thing is just awful.
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks
Jaxbuck said:
Some can, some can’t. Some kill for drug money. Some do incredibly reckless shit under the influence like this. Some recover.

There is no stat that I am aware that tells us what “most” addicts are like. It’s an extremely individual experience.
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I think the key is an addict must hit whatever is their rock bottom. They have to decide "I can't do this anymore " It cannot be taught. They either find that or they won't. I hope this is enough the Kirk finally realizes he can't do it any more... but, I have no idea what his rock bottom is.
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OL Kirk Barton (Don't tase me Bro!)

Jaxbuck
BB73 said:
Most addicts aren’t also extremely reckless idiots. One can be addicted and self-destructive without being very dangerous to the lives of others.
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Some can, some can’t. Some kill for drug money. Some do incredibly reckless shit under the influence like this. Some recover.

There is no stat that I am aware that tells us what “most” addicts are like. It’s an extremely individual experience.
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OL Kirk Barton (Don't tase me Bro!)

LordJeffBuck
I'd like to echo what @Jaxbuck and @Tanner had to say and add this: You can't cure a medical condition (addition/mental illness) with criminal penalties. Jail time isn't going to reform or deter the addict, so all that society is left with is retribution against a sick person. Seems like a losing proposition to me....
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OL Kirk Barton (Don't tase me Bro!)

Fungo Squiggly
Tanner said:
Agree. Not to get too serious but I think people have forgotten grace. People make mistakes, sometimes horrible ones. I felt the same way reading an athletic article about Henry Ruggs apologizing to the family of the person he killed and every comment was rot in hell etc. I just don't believe in that kind of thinking
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He’ll get grace from me when he proves he deserves it. This action entirely defines his legacy right now.

He has a chance to alter that legacy with how he handles himself going forward, but he has to earn that grace. I’m not talking about an apology written by a PR person that checks all the right boxes. I’m talking about actually owning his actions, changing his behavior permanently, and making amends. Words are just words — actions speak much louder.

I know a guy who killed someone drunk driving back in the 80s. He got clean while spending a long-ass time in jail, hasn’t had a drink in decades, and now spends a bunch of his free time doing volunteer work. If Barton follows that trajectory, there’s redemption to be found. Not that my opinion of him is means anything to him.
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OL Kirk Barton (Don't tase me Bro!)

BB73
Jaxbuck said:
Of course he is responsible for his actions. We all are.

Recognizing that someone is an addict and having empathy for the tragedy of seeing them destroy their own life doesn't mean you are advocating they are not responsible for what they do in the grips of that addiction. In no way are you minimizing the impact to the innocent victim. I personally don't see any incongruency in feeling sad for the victim, his family, Barton and his family.

If people think addicts are just bad or weak people then they really don't understand the issue. It's a disease and when it gets a hold of people it's tragic all the way around. Tragic to watch them so filled with self hate that they destroy their own life and then in cases like this where that destruction spills out and impacts innocent others.
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Most addicts aren’t also extremely reckless idiots. One can be addicted and self-destructive without being very dangerous to the lives of others.
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OL Kirk Barton (Don't tase me Bro!)

MililaniBuckeye
TDunk said:
This is going to play out for a few years because our legal system is slow. But hopefully, he accepts his responsibility and serves a few (5-8 minimum) years.
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He serves just 5-8 years? Fuck that shit. I could care less if he was a real solid player for us, he slaughtered an innocent driver because he was driving 100 miles an hour while shit-faced. He should serve at least 15-20 years...
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