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To whom he held no supervisory authority or the like. I mean, I agree that fuckin around in the office is wrought with potential issues, but there doesn't seem to be any legal problems here, so...I guess I'm inclined to let the adults behave like adults and to suffer consequences of that behavior like adults without getting my hackles up. They had a fling... it ended.. I could give a shit...
I'm sorry.. are HS coaches minors? If I am a HS coach, am I not permitted to go to my buddy's bachelor party because there may be a stripper involved? This is ludicrous. I realize this wasn't a bachelor party, but the point remains... what exactly about HS coaches requires them to be protected here..... Another non starter, if you ask me.
Are we drawing the line at acceptable behavior at whether it’s illegal?
I’m trying to be careful to limit the Zach Smith frustration to what Urban knew. But let’s also not discount that he failed to report a DUI, fucked said staffer at work, and did a lot of other weird shit that shouldn’t have been reported.
On the high school coaches thing, I’m only concerned about the NCAA implications. It’s hard for me to believe he ran up a $600 tab without buying one drink or lap dance for a coach, likely of a player he was recruiting. And it’s terrible judgment either way to be fraternizing with high school coaches in that way when the whole reason he and Tom Herman were in Florida was to recruit. I’d be pissed if one of my employees took a client to a strip club during a business trip I paid for him to take.
EDIT: A lot of this shit is indefensible. You’re a smart guy BKB so I’m not sure why you’re trying to defend the honor of Zach Smith here on these items.
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I didn't call it acceptable, I just said I could give a shit. As a general rule, unless you're trying to stick your dick in me, my wife or my kids, I could give a fuck what you do with it. It's not my concern, and I really just don't fucking care when consenting adults have relationships - in or out of wedlock. It just simply doesn't matter to anything important to me, and honestly, I don't have any idea why anyone else gives a good god damn either. It just wreaks of holier than thou nonsense to me.
I appreciate that you're trying to limit your frustration to what Urban knew.. But, as to your second part - I guess I don't know what motivates you to make sure we all know Zach made some bad choices in life. Whether or not things should or shouldn't have been reported can be an interesting discussion... but.. even then.. I am not eager to live in a world where I have to report my out of work goings on to my employer. Should Smith have told Urban he got a DUI? I don't know.. maybe.. I guess I'd have to read his employment contract... but.. beyond that, again, I could give a shit. You don't lose your right to work because of a DUI... indeed, you usually get driving privileges so you can keep your job.
There are no NCAA implications.** Even if there were, it's easily addressed....
NCAA here: We hear two of your coaches took a recruits coach to a strip club and bought lap dances... what did you do about this?
Ohio State: Well, we counseled those coaches not to do that ever again, made sure our policy reflected that... As it happens, neither of those coaches ever did that again nor have any others, so far as we know... neither of them work here any longer, and .. as you may know, we suspended our AD for 2 weeks without pay and our HC for six fucking weeks and three games when we found out all this stuff, including how the strip club was handled.
** I have not scoured the NCAA rule book to find any potential violation, and since I can't think of one off the top of my head, I will say the burden is on someone else to look at it if they think some provision applies.
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I am choosing to stay on the sidelines for this whole "how evil is ZS" debate, but this right here is a funny statement.
I mean, so I've been told.
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Gene Smith was smart enough to know the Zach Smith situation was becoming toxic. And he didn’t even know about 2009. What did I expect Urban to do?
1. Not hire Zach Smith. It was fraught with problems from the beginning. Urban was never going to be able to treat Earle Bruce’s grandson the same way he treated every other coach. It was evident ZS had a leash too long to even see where the dog was going.
2. Fire Zach Smith. Or at least gently push him out the door as he did so many other coaches. And he could have done it at any various times, but probably around 2015 when you could see his personal life was a ticking time bomb and negatively affecting his coaching during the season when we were national title contenders.
3. Be honest and forthcoming with the media on July 23. Or at least “no comment” that shit. It would have ended right there and then if he had handled that properly.
4. Not inquire about deleting text messages the same day McMurphy’s report came out because... damn, that’s a bad look and maybe an issue that isn’t going away.
5. Not act like a petulant child at his news conference. The punishment wasn’t changing, no matter how much displeasure he expressed. It was what it was and he still acted arrogantly defiant like he’s above reproach.
6. Above all else, protect the program. It’s a privilege to coach at Ohio State. And it’s very lucrative. Zach Smith was a liability. His personal life was a liability. It blew up in his face, the program’s face, and the university’s face. People can complain all they want about how the sports media characters are handling it (and I have) but let’s face it: Was anything McMurphy is doing or what Finebaum is saying or what any number of sanctimonious columnists are writing unforeseeable? This is what they do, especially when it involves Ohio State. Protect the program from that. Go the extra mile to avoid it. He did the bare minimum, at best. And here we are.
EDIT: 7. I expected Urban to tell Gene about 2009, either when he hired ZS or when the 2015 allegation was made. Gene is a trooper for not publicly making that a bigger issue.
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Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Just curious: Would you still be pissed at your employee if the visit with the client directly resulted in your company getting a $10M account/contract/purchase (or whatever your company does) from the client?
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You don’t need to scour the NCAA rule book to know that buying anything for someone close to a recruit of any value is an impermissible benefit. High school coaches and immediate family are included in that. Counseling a coach about it isn’t enough. Ohio State has to self report it. That’s how Tressel got himself fired. This could be a problem because the independent investigative team has referred this issue to the NCAA. I know we don’t even want to consider the possibility but it’s a cloud hanging over a bit, even after everything has been theoretically concluded.
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Just curious: Would you still be pissed at your employee if the visit with the client directly resulted in your company getting a $10M account/contract/purchase (or whatever your company does) from the client?
In my line of work, yes. Because it’s unethical to give a client anything of value. I can’t buy a client a cup of coffee. It’s very similar to NCAA rules.
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Sure.. the school that reported Zach Smith's son texting a recruit during the dead period when said son was 4 years old would have tried to cover up coaches at a strip club. Because, if there's one thing we know for sure, Ohio State has been shy about self reporting minor violations under Meyer.
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I've defended Smith where I think he deserves some defense, and even then only to a limited extent (ie understanding the why of his twitter explosion yesterday). I think you're confusing not giving a fuck, and questioning why anyone else does as a defense? To the extent that I could be said to be giving a fuck by my participation in this discussion... I've shown how these issues, whatever they may be, are irrelevant to anything having to do with Meyer and Ohio State... now, if I'm guilty of anything on that score, it's probably hanging that around your neck despite your stating you've attempted to keep this free of any Meyer issues.
Like I said, and specific to my discussion with you, I am not at all sure what is motivating you to continue on making sure we all know that Zach is a bag of shit, in your opinion.
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Why would the investigative team refer something to the NCAA that the NCAA already knew about it? All of Ohio State’s self reported violations get reported by the media, often to comical effect. Anyone remember a strip club visit in there anywhere?
Look, I’m not saying it is an NCAA violation because I don’t know if Zach Smith actually paid for anything for these coaches. Maybe he just bought $600 worth of lap dances and drinks for himself. Doesn’t seem likely to me but I guess it’s possible. If I’m Ohio State or Urban Meyer, I’m reporting it just to be safe. And that’s why the investigative team reported it because there’s a concern. Maybe it’s nothing. Maybe it’s something. If it’s something though, it’s not the violation that would be the problem. It would be the failure to report it.
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