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Zach Smith (Official Thread)

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Oh8ch said:
As long as no harm is done to others whatever we do in our personal lives (sex toys, junk pix) is nobody's business but our own.

Since I was a child I have collected dolphins. Ceramic dolphins, stuffed dolphins, plastic dolphins. Even a dolphin dil...(no, I am not going there).

I shudder at the thought that someone might comb through my life in such detail and find out what I have done to those dolphins - and what I have allowed those dolphins to do to me.
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What you do to those dolphins is your business as long as you don't harm them on porpoise.
 
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OH10 said:
Why would the investigative team refer something to the NCAA that the NCAA already knew about it? All of Ohio State’s self reported violations get reported by the media, often to comical effect. Anyone remember a strip club visit in there anywhere?

Look, I’m not saying it is an NCAA violation because I don’t know if Zach Smith actually paid for anything for these coaches. Maybe he just bought $600 worth of lap dances and drinks for himself. Doesn’t seem likely to me but I guess it’s possible. If I’m Ohio State or Urban Meyer, I’m reporting it just to be safe. And that’s why the investigative team reported it because there’s a concern. Maybe it’s nothing. Maybe it’s something. If it’s something though, it’s not the violation that would be the problem. It would be the failure to report it.
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I don't know. But, like I said, if Ohio State failed to report a minor violation of a coach taking other coaches to a strip club, I'm inclined to believe that was oversight, not something nefarious... and.. here's what I do know... they didn't just look the other way in any event. they addressed it square on with Zach (and presumably TH) .. updated their policy... and.. suspended GS and UM when it all went public. I guess you and I are different also in a key respect - you tend to take the most pessimistic view possible and worry that the sky is about to come crashing down, whereas I tend to try and find answers that I think justify behavior which may, reasonably, be seen as viewing things through scarlet colored glasses of a hopeless optimist.
 
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OH10 said:
Gene Smith was smart enough to know the Zach Smith situation was becoming toxic. And he didn’t even know about 2009. What did I expect Urban to do?

1. Not hire Zach Smith. It was fraught with problems from the beginning. Urban was never going to be able to treat Earle Bruce’s grandson the same way he treated every other coach. It was evident ZS had a leash too long to even see where the dog was going.

2. Fire Zach Smith. Or at least gently push him out the door as he did so many other coaches. And he could have done it at any various times, but probably around 2015 when you could see his personal life was a ticking time bomb and negatively affecting his coaching during the season when we were national title contenders.

3. Be honest and forthcoming with the media on July 23. Or at least “no comment” that shit. It would have ended right there and then if he had handled that properly.

4. Not inquire about deleting text messages the same day McMurphy’s report came out because... damn, that’s a bad look and maybe an issue that isn’t going away.

5. Not act like a petulant child at his news conference. The punishment wasn’t changing, no matter how much displeasure he expressed. It was what it was and he still acted arrogantly defiant like he’s above reproach.

6. Above all else, protect the program. It’s a privilege to coach at Ohio State. And it’s very lucrative. Zach Smith was a liability. His personal life was a liability. It blew up in his face, the program’s face, and the university’s face. People can complain all they want about how the sports media characters are handling it (and I have) but let’s face it: Was anything McMurphy is doing or what Finebaum is saying or what any number of sanctimonious columnists are writing unforeseeable? This is what they do, especially when it involves Ohio State. Protect the program from that. Go the extra mile to avoid it. He did the bare minimum, at best. And here we are.

EDIT: 7. I expected Urban to tell Gene about 2009, either when he hired ZS or when the 2015 allegation was made. Gene is a trooper for not publicly making that a bigger issue.
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You know Gene is Urban’s boss and he could have just as easily fired Smith if he was so inclined. Gene has a serious level of complicity in this whole sorted affair. As per usual though he seems to be skating with minimal punishment or impact to himself. He certainly isn’t taking the heat or hit to his reputation that Urban is.
 
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ZEKE103 said:
It's too late for that in my opinion. When you go digging through the trash to publicly embarrass/shame a man for stuff pretty much entirely unrelated to the story/investigation at hand, you lose all chance to make it right and try to be professional now. McMurphy has played his cards, he went hack-journalist ultra-scum bag don't care what it does to a man just to get attention... there is no going back from that.

I am sure ZS would love the chance to confront the F'er face to face, but seeing as how McMurphy has already proven himself as a little vindictive girl, I don't see him manning up now and doing that.
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Oh I’m not here to say that I think that McMurphy will take this course of action. But all I’m saying is that it is conceivable that this story will head in a direction that is unfavorable to Courtney and to McMurphy. The easiest way to avoid this problem is the be a part of whatever Zach may be telling. You know...finally hear both sides....and let the readers decide.
 
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/30/sports/ohio-state-trustee-resigns-urban-meyer.html

Ohio State Trustee Resigns, Saying Urban Meyer Punishment Was Too Soft

Some of the more interesting bits:
He said he was the “lone voice” of dissent in advocating for a harsher punishment, but declined to specify what he proposed or to speak in great detail about the closed-door negotiations, saying he wanted to respect the confidential words of board members.
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The meeting began with remarks from Mr. Drake, and was followed by the trustees going around the room and offering their own opinions, Mr. Wadsworth said.

Although there was a sense that there was a “range of options, from doing nothing to firing” Mr. Meyer, Mr. Wadsworth said, “that is different than deliberating it,” and the board quickly settled on a discussion of a suspension.
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The tone of the meeting remained respectful, he said, but he felt he needed to resign because he could not defend the outcome. In contrast, he said, there was a public budget vote a few months ago on which he was the lone “nay.”
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(How is another example of him being the lone dissenting voice “in contrast” to him being the lone dissenting voice in this instance?)

On Wednesday, Mr. Smith, who was fired on July 23 by Mr. Meyer and the athletic director, Gene Smith, after a misdemeanor trespassing charge and a protection order against him were reported, broke his silence with an extended, angry thread of tweets. He accused the news media and his ex-wife, Courtney Smith, of misrepresenting events.

He wrote on Twitter: “Let’s talk FACTS since so many people (mainly opposing fanbase’s fans) want to talk,” he said. “1. My kids are suffering because of all this (most important) 2. I never beat my wife 3. OSU botched the investigation and worse the ‘punishment.’ ”
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It’s an interesting study in journalusm how they structure the entire article, with the Zach Smith quote at the very end, to imply that Zach Smith agrees with the trustee that the punishment wasn’t harsh enough, when the truth is the exact opposite.
 
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Buckeye86 said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/30/sports/ohio-state-trustee-resigns-urban-meyer.html

Ohio State Trustee Resigns, Saying Urban Meyer Punishment Was Too Soft

Some of the more interesting bits:





(How is another example of him being the lone dissenting voice “in contrast” to him being the lone dissenting voice in this instance?)


It’s an interesting study in journalusm how they structure the entire article, with the Zach Smith quote at the very end, to imply that Zach Smith agrees with the trustee that the punishment wasn’t harsh enough, when the truth is the exact opposite.
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The picture of Wadsworth shows him with a blue tie. It shows where his loyalties are. He had probably showed up like that at the WHAC at some point and gotten banned by Meyer. :sneaky:
 
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So are we to assume that this trustee is the only reasonable one in the room and all the rest are blind football factory homers? Or perhaps this particular trustee is an outlier for a reason and his viewpoint is unreasonable.

I have a sneaking suspicion how it will be portrayed by the media and how the general public will perceive it.....
 
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