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Zach Smith (Official Thread)

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Nigel Tufnel said:
Not to get all political, but isn't this what our President is doing, and many rail him for? I mean, is the media the problem or not?
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The media is like any other business - they are selling you a product or service.

Let's say that you can't stand a certain restaurant. Yet you go there every day and eat a lousy meal. You bitch and moan and complain, but you keep going back. Does that mean restaurants are the problem? No, obviously not. YOU are the problem for choosing a restaurant that you knew you weren't going to like and then eating the food.

Same thing with the media. You are the consumer. Consume what you like. Don't consume what you don't like.

Eating at bad restaurants keeps bad restaurants in business. Consuming bad media keeps bad media outlets in business.

Just because they have the right to say it, doesn't mean we have the obligation to listen to it.
 
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OH10 said:
Those poor kids. My son got picked on yesterday during soccer and I just had to sit there and not say anything because it might have made it worse. I had to keep telling myself to just wait and talk to the coaches about it afterwards. It’s so hard when you know your kids are being hurt not to want to lash out at the world. But restraint is often an essential parenting tool. Zach failed as a parent today, probably worse than he failed as a husband or as a coach.
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Imagine if your son's soccer game went on for a month and you had national media fuck heads spouting off about how awful a person you were for 30 days and then tell me again how bad Smith failed as a parent today.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
The media is like any other business - they are selling you a product or service.

Let's say that you can't stand a certain restaurant. Yet you go there every day and eat a lousy meal. You bitch and moan and complain, but you keep going back. Does that mean restaurants are the problem? No, obviously not. YOU are the problem for choosing a restaurant that you knew you weren't going to like and then eating the food.

Same thing with the media. You are the consumer. Consume what you like. Don't consume what you don't like.

Eating at bad restaurants keeps bad restaurants in business. Consuming bad media keeps bad media outlets in business.

Just because they have the right to say it, doesn't mean we have the obligation to listen to it.
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No obligaition to listen to it, but if you do listen to something, you might want to verify it against another source or two. I'm not on board with the whole fake news/ignore the media bit. That isn't right either. But I agree that trust in journalistic efforts should come when sources have provided reasonable proof and perhaps have been vetted by others.

Anyway, I don't want to get this any more political than I already have so I'll exit now.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
Imagine if your son's soccer game went on for a month and you had national media fuck heads spouting off about how awful a person you were for 30 days and then tell me again how bad Smith failed as a parent today.
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I wouldn’t put my kids out there as a shield. That’s exactly what Zach Smith did today. There isn’t a domestic relations Judge/Magistrate or Guardian ad litem in the world who wouldn’t rip his ass for that. If Courtney Smith really wanted to rip up their Shared Parenting Plan, he just did her a big favor today. So yeah, he failed as a parent today and that’s his most important responsibility.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
The media is like any other business - they are selling you a product or service.

Let's say that you can't stand a certain restaurant. Yet you go there every day and eat a lousy meal. You bitch and moan and complain, but you keep going back. Does that mean restaurants are the problem? No, obviously not. YOU are the problem for choosing a restaurant that you knew you weren't going to like and then eating the food.

Same thing with the media. You are the consumer. Consume what you like. Don't consume what you don't like.

Eating at bad restaurants keeps bad restaurants in business. Consuming bad media keeps bad media outlets in business.

Just because they have the right to say it, doesn't mean we have the obligation to listen to it.
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I think we also give them undue power by responding to them, which is I suppose an extension of listening to them. This is exactly what Ohio State management did by addressing these issues publicly in the first place, starting with that first press conference where Urban was initially suspended. I think this was terrible mismanagement on their part and only fanned the flames. Responding to the outrage mob only emboldens it. You defeat the outrage mob by ignoring it.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
And... I guess while I'm on it...

And this is more a general observation than a specific retort to anyone here.... but... we know ZS and CS were going through a divorce, and from the looks of it ... a nasty one at that...

I am not at all troubled that Meyer cared about Zach and his predicament.... whether that is because of some life debt owed Earle or just because Urban cares for the people he works with every day.... you know... like our own co-workers and bosses do for us, and we do for them...

Likewise, and I speak from experience, unfortunately, on this part - I am not the least bit surprised that going through a divorce was hard on the Smith's, including Zach.. and that he missed work or was late for meetings... Are you serious? Look, full disclosure... when I was going through my divorce, I wasn't hitting on all cylinders in my professional life.... I missed work - called in sick - when I wasn't physically sick.. just mentally drained.... I asked for some leeway from my boss and he understood.. because... you know... he's a fucking human being who understands that life sometimes can be fucked up. That's all I see in the Meyer Smith relationship ... Perfectly OK to say Meyer went too far in that... it's an opinion, and not one which cannot be reasonably argued and supported... but... it's not the "no brainer" some people like to think it is.

We don't have an actual appreciation of the real relationships these people have... I mean.. DI coaches in particular... these guys are with each other virtually non stop, virtually year round. You don't think they develop relationships and care for one another? First sign of trouble they're just supposed to cut bait? Sure.. that's a possibility.. but.. not really a realistic take....

All that said, I am in the camp that thinks Urban hung on to Zach too long... but... that's just my opinion man... I'm neither Zach nor am I Urban.. and I can see relationships in my own personal life where I'd be inclined to take more risk for some people than some others. I don't anticipate I'm unique in that respect.
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GPA right here.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
The media is like any other business - they are selling you a product or service.

Let's say that you can't stand a certain restaurant. Yet you go there every day and eat a lousy meal. You bitch and moan and complain, but you keep going back. Does that mean restaurants are the problem? No, obviously not. YOU are the problem for choosing a restaurant that you knew you weren't going to like and then eating the food.

Same thing with the media. You are the consumer. Consume what you like. Don't consume what you don't like.

Eating at bad restaurants keeps bad restaurants in business. Consuming bad media keeps bad media outlets in business.

Just because they have the right to say it, doesn't mean we have the obligation to listen to it.
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Yes but that is a double edged sword. The other side of that is today's truth is rooted in what society likes, and so authenticity is assigned based on enjoyment.

A happy medium with both sides acting responsibly is needed. Sadly that does not sell either.
 
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OH10 said:
I wouldn’t put my kids out there as a shield. That’s exactly what Zach Smith did today. There isn’t a domestic relations Judge/Magistrate or Guardian ad litem in the world who wouldn’t rip his ass for that. If Courtney Smith really wanted to rip up their Shared Parenting Plan, he just did her a big favor today. So yeah, he failed as a parent today and that’s his most important responsibility.
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All that may well be the case and I certainly agree that he did himself no favors today and I have been very clear on this. In the post I responded to I took you to be saying that as a parent you keeping your mouth shut for the duration of a soccer game was equivalent to keeping your mouth shut in Zach Smith's situation.... which he has, by and large, actually done. So, I say again- have the national media call you an abuser of women for a month and then tell me again how bad a parent he is for cracking. Hell... a good attorney might just argue this is by her design.. to further her mental abuse of him... and his cracking is the evidence that her continued emotional abuse is still working.
 
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OHSportsFan said:
At a bar for some drinks after work- ESPN bottomline is presenting today’s tirade nicely. Honestly.

Says he never hit his wife and OSU botched investigation.
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He used the magic words, see you in court. If I'm him, I'm finding a lawyer like Avennati and just going out there to pierce the fake journalist bubble to bankrupt McWhatever. There would be a fury unknown outside hand-to-hand combat.

I don't apologize for Smith, but I understand why he steps out to take him down. I would also go after Tom Herman and get in his head big time.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
All that may well be the case and I certainly agree that he did himself no favors today and I have been very clear on this. In the post I responded to I took you to be saying that as a parent you keeping your mouth shut for the duration of a soccer game was equivalent to keeping your mouth shut in Zach Smith's situation.... which he has, by and large, actually done. So, I say again- have the national media call you an abuser of women for a month and then tell me again how bad a parent he is for cracking. Hell... a good attorney might just argue this is by her design.. to further her mental abuse of him... and his cracking is the evidence that her continued emotional abuse is still working.
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A good attorney would fire Zach Smith as a client for failing to take legal advice for him to stfu.
 
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