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Zach Smith (Official Thread)

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Buckeye86 said:


This is what bothers me in this- even Ohio State fans accept that he “slapped around” or “repeatedly beat” his wife.

I re-watched the video- nowhere has Courtney even alleged that.

In 2009 the allegation is that he grabbed her shirt and threw her against a wall. In 2015 the allegation is that he grabbed her neck and threw her against a wall, and in a separate incident grabbed her neck and threw her on the floor, and that he put his hands around her neck frequently.

Now, while we all can recognize that this is abuse and illegal, I also think it is a gross mischaracterization to call it “beating” or “slapping around.”

I also think the accusation (and pictures) are in line with how everyone else characterized the incidents- Courtney Smith initiatives a physical confrontation that Zach Smith has to remove himself from.

I rewatched the video interview and noted two things- first Courtney Smith specifically says that Zach Smith hasn’t touched her since 2015. Second, in her description of the 2009 incident, she said she drove the other girl home and when she got back back Zach Smith was in bed, and obviously she didn’t want him in her bed.

It sure sounds to me that even in 2009 she initiated the physical conflict by trying to remove him from their bed (presumably while he was sleeping).

So, long story short, even if the allegation of abuse is substantiated, nowhere does Courtney Smith (as far as I can tell) even accuse Zach Smith of hitting or slapping her... and yet a huge majority of people use phrases like “beat” and “slapped around.”

It might be semantics, but I think there is a substantial difference between what is even alleged and that false characterization.
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Agree, and two points... 1 in line with my previous post... this is why Zach needs to shut the fuck up.. he can't win... Thus, while I understand what he's doing .... that doesn't mean it's wise.

Two... If you give me your cell number, I can text you pictures of bruises on my body which establish that I was beaten up by @Fungo Squiggly If you give me a couple seconds and I'm able to find a sharp object, I can show you pictures of how he cut me open too.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
I think I've done a relatively decent job setting forth my position on this, and my advise to Zach would also be the shut the fuck up. I know he's hurting, it's precisely why he's lashed out like this today. But, after all that is said and done, life continues on and there are consequences. Which is to say, I think maybe you took the original "shut the fuck up" as a "you're a liar and a fucker, so shut your mouth" to Zach, rather than a piece of free advice. Now, I don't know how the OP intended it, but I can say, again, if I was Zach's attorney, friend, or relative, I would have been on the phone trying to save him from himself in this. Like they say, nothing good happens after midnight... well... nothing good comes of a twitter rant, is all.
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Hey, you hit the nail directly on the head! Thank you for sparing the time of typing out a post to state my original intentions :lol:
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
Agree, and two points... 1 in line with my previous post... this is why Zach needs to shut the fuck up.. he can't win... Thus, while I understand what he's doing .... that doesn't mean it's wise.

Two... If you give me your cell number, I can text you pictures of bruises on my body which establish that I was beaten up by @Fungo Squiggly If you give me a couple seconds and I'm able to find a sharp object, I can show you pictures of how he cut me open too.
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Hey, pal. You just because you fake the pictures now doesn't mean I didn't beat the shit out of you last time. And I'd do it again.
 
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Buckeye86 said:


This is what bothers me in this- even Ohio State fans accept that he “slapped around” or “repeatedly beat” his wife.

I re-watched the video- nowhere has Courtney even alleged that.

In 2009 the allegation is that he grabbed her shirt and threw her against a wall. In 2015 the allegation is that he grabbed her neck and threw her against a wall, and in a separate incident grabbed her neck and threw her on the floor, and that he put his hands around her neck frequently.

Now, while we all can recognize that this is abuse and illegal (if true and not just a one sided, the-worst-I-can-spin-this description of physical altercations she initiated), I also think it is a gross mischaracterization to call it “beating” or “slapping around.”

I also think the accusation (and pictures) are in line with how everyone else characterized the incidents- Courtney Smith initiatives a physical confrontation that Zach Smith has to remove himself from.

I rewatched the video interview and noted two things- first Courtney Smith specifically says that Zach Smith hasn’t touched her since 2015. Second, in her description of the 2009 incident, she said she drove the other girl home and when she got back back Zach Smith was in bed, and obviously she didn’t want him in her bed.

It sure sounds to me that even in 2009 she initiated the physical conflict by trying to remove him from their bed (presumably while he was sleeping).

So, long story short, even if the allegation of abuse is substantiated, nowhere does Courtney Smith (as far as I can tell) even accuse Zach Smith of hitting or slapping her... and yet a huge majority of people use phrases like “beat” and “slapped around.”

It might be semantics, but I think there is a substantial difference between what is even alleged and that false characterization.
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If all of these people truly believe that he is some sort of violent monster and yet they anatagonize him when they know he is around his kids, what does that say about them?
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
Well, looks like Zach's going on a twitter tirade....

WHo knows how that's gonna play out.... I post this:

If only to recommend that those interested click through to Lynn Bruce's post.
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Not a fan of Lynn's post at all. No one knows if there was DV or not other than CS and ZS. It is one thing for a mother to go on the record that there was no DV, but how can anyone expect Urban or the University to take that stance? If you are wrong it is a disaster and if you are right you still look really bad.

I completely emphasize with ZS and his children. He made the bed that he is lying in, but he is 100% right that he will forever be tied to the stigma of DV and has had his dirty laundry aired in the national media - including details that did little more than sensationalize the story in order to gather clicks. I emphasize with him and his mother; I would feel the urge to go on the attack to anyone who I felt that hurt my children. I hope that there is someone in his life who can councel him and help him see that this is not the best way to address the situation.
 
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Ryan36_1 said:
Not a fan of Lynn's post at all. No one knows if there was DV or not other than CS and ZS. It is one thing for a mother to go on the record that there was no DV, but how can anyone expect Urban or the University to take that stance? If you are wrong it is a disaster and if you are right you still look really bad.

I completely emphasize with ZS and his children. He made the bed that he is lying in, but he is 100% right that he will forever be tied to the stigma of DV and has had his dirty laundry aired in the national media - including details that did little more than sensationalize the story in order to gather clicks. I emphasize with him and his mother; I would feel the urge to go on the attack to anyone who I felt that hurt my children. I hope that there is someone in his life who can councel him and help him see that this is not the best way to address the situation.
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Oh, I agree there's no way that Urban or the University can take the stance ... in my view their stance should have been "Not my problem" (which I'm completely short handing here... point is, it's not my employer, nor my direct supervisor's job to handle my home life. I, frankly, don't want to facilitate a world where my employer comes home with me in any way whatever, much less do I want them to have to fire me at the mere allegation of any untoward behavior in my personal life). I don't think any media outlet would have been happy... but.. at least it wouldn't have been a shit show and then.. once people come to their goddamned senses, they'd realize it's actually correct.
 
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Those poor kids. My son got picked on yesterday during soccer and I just had to sit there and not say anything because it might have made it worse. I had to keep telling myself to just wait and talk to the coaches about it afterwards. It’s so hard when you know your kids are being hurt not to want to lash out at the world. But restraint is often an essential parenting tool. Zach failed as a parent today, probably worse than he failed as a husband or as a coach.
 
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