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MaxBuck said:
I don't think that comes remotely close to what I was saying, Menardo. Your reading comprehension is pretty feeble if that's how you read my comment.
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I think the real point is, no one would get special treatment if they were dragging their university through the mud. Free ride or not, that shit doesn't fly.
 
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TooTallMenardo said:
I think the real point is, no one would get special treatment if they were dragging their university through the mud. Free ride or not, that [Mark May] doesn't fly.
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I'm sure you think that's the real point. My point was that star athletes are treated very differently from the average student, and anyone who thinks that's likely to change anytime soon is kidding themselves. To some degree, that may have been the biggest problem Clarett faced since he was a tyke.

At the end of the day, failing to make an NFL roster might just have been the best thing ever to happen to Maurice Clarett. I'm glad to see him turn his life around (apparently).
 
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MaxBuck said:
Given how much revenue Clarett drove to tOSU, I think it's absurd to expect the same treatment for him as for anonymous Joe Student. And I'm not criticizing the way Clarett was treated by Geiger and the athletic department here, just pointing out that you're not talking apples to apples.
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I disagree with the notion that these guys--much less any one player--drive revenue to the athletic departments in the way some of their proponents contend. Ohio State is a brand that has been built up over decades. Would Ohio State really have made a penny less had MoC or Pryor opted to go elsewhere?

As for special treatment, they already get it to a disturbing degree: "success centers," extensive tutoring, teddy bear soft majors to stay eligible, scheduling priorities and so on. And on top of it all, they're given an 80 to 120 thousand dollar education. As for MoC in particular, he was given chance after chance from the magazine debacle to the screaming match with Tim Spencer to the unnecessary shitshow he put on in Phoenix.

Clarett chose to throw that all away, and he attempted to drag the university through the mud on a national stage in the process. I was back in the country and living in Columbus when it all went down. As far as I was concerned, Geiger couldn't flush him fast enough. Props to Geiger for doing what was right and what was in the best interests of Ohio State University.

Again, I think his turnaround has been incredibly inspiring, but the MoC of today was not the one on a rampage in 2003. That one needed to go.
 
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MoC made his share of mistakes, but Geiger handled the situation 100% wrong. You're freaking 60 years old and running the largest athletic department in the country. You DO NOT get in a public pissing match with a 19 year old student. You be mature and rise above it.

Furthermore, you DO NOT lie and say that the kid 'messed up his papework.' You quietly pull the kid aside and calmly and rationally explain why it isn't in anyone's best interests for you to leave the National Championship game to attend the funeral of a drug dealer.
 
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lvbuckeye said:
MoC made his share of mistakes, but Geiger handled the situation 100% wrong. You're freaking 60 years old and running the largest athletic department in the country. You DO NOT get in a public pissing match with a 19 year old student. You be mature and rise above it.

Furthermore, you DO NOT lie and say that the kid 'messed up his papework.' You quietly pull the kid aside and calmly and rationally explain why it isn't in anyone's best interests for you to leave the National Championship game to attend the funeral of a drug dealer.
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Kid should have went to the funeral. Drug dealer or not. They could have sent someone to go with him
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
I disagree with the notion that these guys--much less any one player--drive revenue to the athletic departments in the way some of their proponents contend. Ohio State is a brand that has been built up over decades. Would Ohio State really have made a penny less had MoC or Pryor opted to go elsewhere?

As for special treatment, they already get it to a disturbing degree: "success centers," extensive tutoring, teddy bear soft majors to stay eligible, scheduling priorities and so on. And on top of it all, they're given an 80 to 120 thousand dollar education. As for MoC in particular, he was given chance after chance from the magazine debacle to the screaming match with Tim Spencer to the unnecessary [Mark May]show he put on in Phoenix.

Clarett chose to throw that all away, and he attempted to drag the university through the mud on a national stage in the process. I was back in the country and living in Columbus when it all went down. As far as I was concerned, Geiger couldn't flush him fast enough. Props to Geiger for doing what was right and what was in the best interests of Ohio State University.

Again, I think his turnaround has been incredibly inspiring, but the MoC of today was not the one on a rampage in 2003. That one needed to go.
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I, in turn, disagree with this. Yes, Ohio State is a great and proud and rich brand. But would they have made less money had Clarett gone to, say, Notre Dame? Yes. I'm not going to try and crunch financial numbers that i don't have access to, but it's pretty simple math when you say they made a lot more money for winning a national championship than they would have if they didn't win a national championship, and they wouldn't have won a national championship if Clarett hadn't have gone to Ohio State.

Clarett obviously didn't handle the situation as well as he could have. But I totally understand why star NCAA athletes can get frustrated with the situation they are in, and I think it's ridiculous that he got banned from playing college football considering what his "crimes" were.
 
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OhioState001 said:
Kid should have went to the funeral. Drug dealer or not. They could have sent someone to go with him
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Absolutely! I can't think of anything better for my alma mater's reputation than letting a spoiled self-indulgent brat fly off at university expense to attend the funeral of a gangbanging drug dealer. I'm sure the national press would have given us a pass on the whole matter.

Really? If Geiger had done this, I would have no problem with Wexner and John Ong and Bill Lowery and every other eight figure donor to the university saying, "fuck this I'm outta here." I certainly know that it would have made me question my donations (lifetime five figure) in the future.
 
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