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AuburnBuckeye
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I chose to look at it like they were showing it from MoC's point of view. He prolly blamed Geiger and Tress at the time to an extent. Towards the end they showed them in a better light when Maurice started to realize he shouldn't be blaming anyone for what happened but himself
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OHSportsFan
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Maurice Clarett @ReeseClarett131h
I have no hard feelings for Andy Geiger... I forgive the man and I hope he forgives me....
I have no hard feelings for Andy Geiger... I forgive the man and I hope he forgives me....
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osucollegebuck
Nathan Williams #43
Its interesting to hear Clarett break down the whole ESPNThe Magazine article with reference to the "jersey toss". He even goes on to say how they created that whole idea and even wanted him to look "angry" in the shot. What a shocker they didn't want to talk about that in this ESPN 30 for 30 piece. I did like the overall piece, but ESPN ignores that they were also a part of this story, not just "sport journalists" covering it.
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ESPN does not handle creative for 30-for-30 docs though. The films in these series are independently made and financed, with Bill Simons conceiving the original idea for a series and pitching it to ESPN to be the distributor and holding the video release rights. At no point in the production is ESPN involved, unless it's the case as with the Fab Five doc, where Jalen Rose was executive producer and happens to be an ESPN employee.
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matcar
Mostly banned
Agreed. FWIW, there are many folks who felt like cutting Mo loose was a bad decision....not for the school, but for a kid who needed someone or something to care for him and lookout for him. My father loved JT, but was VERY disappointed in how Mo was cut loose. We talked for years about how he wished that they had kept him on the team, even if he didn't play, just to keep him away from the shit surrounding him. There are no "right" answers in this but I suspect a lot of people wish they had handled things differently.
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I think in that first segment when he said "we" or however he said it was him talking "for" an Ohio state fan, acting like he was one... but they eedited it without the context.. if that makes sense.... but bit was odd.
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osucollegebuck
Nathan Williams #43
So Gene Wojciechowski is completely independent as a narrator even though he gets his checks from ESPN? Come on, you need to be a little more skeptical than that if you don't think their invested to make sure their brand doesn't look bad.
If they want to be taken seriously as independent films they shouldn't have anyone affiliated with ESPN do narration during these films. If they want to use interviews or footage from ESPN obviously that would be acceptable, but there is way too much overlap for my taste.
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Gene Wojciechowski was interviewed because he was the senior writer for ESPN at the time MoC played, and he was the lead for the interview that wound up becoming the 1-and-Done piece. If Stewart Mandell or Dennis Dodd had been the guy that got those quotes on his micro cassette I'm sure they would've interviewed him instead.
Previous 30-for-30 films have included interviews with all sort of well known sports journalists that have never been employed by ESPN. I think you're looking for something that isn't there.
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All of this stuff is just simply disturbing to me, and its why I choose as a TOSU fan to simply focus on what happens on the field here. Players play then they leave, and for the most part I don't care about their NFL careers unless they come play for the Browns.
With that mindset, its as simple as this. Without MoC, this football program is 45 years without a National Championship. Take away his great runs in 2002. Take away the pass against scUM that he basically called for himself that set up the winning touchdown, and focus on this. If somebody ever comes up to you and asks you what is THE single most important play that has happened in an Ohio State football game in the past 45 years and YOU don't say his strip of Sean Taylor in the Fiesta Bowl, then you need to go look in the mirror and have the dumbest-fuck wannabe Buckeye fan in the world stare in your face.
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With that mindset, its as simple as this. Without MoC, this football program is 45 years without a National Championship. Take away his great runs in 2002. Take away the pass against scUM that he basically called for himself that set up the winning touchdown, and focus on this. If somebody ever comes up to you and asks you what is THE single most important play that has happened in an Ohio State football game in the past 45 years and YOU don't say his strip of Sean Taylor in the Fiesta Bowl, then you need to go look in the mirror and have the dumbest-fuck wannabe Buckeye fan in the world stare in your face.
Peace
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Delaware Buck
Heisman
It's interesting that this story (as well as TatGate to a lesser degree) still divides Buckeye Nation and probably always will. Unlike the single minded cult like attitudes at PSU after the Freeh Report, OSU fans are capable of forming differing opinions and having reasonable discussions about the facts. People are not pushing to bring the institution to it's knees because Tress was fired or MoC lost his eligibility.
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Holy Buckeye. Without that, Clarett's strip never happens because we're not in the title game. No Holy Buckeye means a loss at Purdue.
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Doesn't happen often, but I gotta disagree here bro. What happened leading up to the "strip" has been well documented. "Holy-Buckeye" was amazing, indeed. But, it took a dropped TD pass against Cincinatti and a subsequent INT by Will Allen to preserve that win early in the season. What about Allen's INT against scUM to save that win as well? 2002 was filled with magic moments that got us into the BCS title game. Gamble's INT return vs. Ped State. OT win at Illinois.
My point is this, on THE biggest stage the BIGGEST play was the strip. In most teams Championship Seasons things happen along the way that contribute, and Holy Buckeye was huge. But once we got there, had the game under control and saw it slip away in one moment, MO "corrected" it and made it all good once again. Luv ya, bro, but there's NO WAY in hell anybody will ever sway me on this one.
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AuburnBuckeye
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Just saying they started off the show talking about he was in Juvenile detention at a young age
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