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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
I'm not sure that it would mean the end of big time college football. One can go down the list of recent Buckeyes, and I'm certain that a few names jump out who certainly would have taken the 50K salary to go play in Reno or Tulsa for a couple of years, but I think there's also an equal contingent of starters and even stars who would have chosen to take the traditional athletic scholarship route. And while it certainly would dilute the product, I feel it would be at a very negligible cost relative to what it would achieve in cleaning up the mess of college football and ending the hypocrisy of handing out full scholarships to kids who scored 350 points lower on the SAT than an average incoming freshman.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
Something of a conflicted story. Woody gave "loans" so that his poor kids could make it home for the Holidays or a family emergency etc. He bragged about it in an interview saying that most of the time he just forgave the loan (so he hardly viewed it as getting over or being underhanded) and that's what brought about the investigation. The Big Ten commissioner at the time, said that they had to sanction him but that his heart was in the right place. I also believe that the emergency fund that schools are allowed to disburse for this purpose was put in place directly in response to Woody's situation.
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Bucknut24
Trolololol
they had a lot of editing problems before the premier, there was article showing all these editing mistakes, such as making it look like Clarett scored GW TD against Mich and not Hall, and showed the 2010 Sugar Bowl celebration and acting like it was the 2003 national title celebration, even though you can see Sabino and CJ Barnett right there in front..
but those were corrected at least
Kinda funny with the Hyde/Drayton clip you see Urban right there in the foreground
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My wife works for a local tv station as a director... there is no such thing as an "editing mistake"
Just saying.
Just saying.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
With all due respect, you're a jocksniffer. The kid was a completely entitled punk at the time and a trainwreck for the program and, infinitely more importantly, the university. If Tressel had been the leader that he purported to be and not the "hear no evil; see no evil; and, sure as shit, tell his superiors no evil" enabler for his star players that he was in reality, this situation would have been nipped in the bud, and Andy Geiger never would have had to become involved.
And if Snapp was a willing participant--knowing the direction that it would take--of that article, he should have been shitcanned for his involvement. Even taking the ESPN article off the table, there was plenty there for JT to have dealt with before things came to a head, but all I saw was constant enabling. Living off-campus as a freshman? Really? I wonder where MoC got the idea that he was above the program, the athletic department and the entire frickin' university.
Again, glad he pulled his life together but equally glad Andy Geiger was there to step in and make the adult decision at the time of getting him the hell out of Ohio State University.
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Hindsight is 20/20. Nobody knew at the time the article and photo-op were conducted that it was going to become the One and Done piece, Gene Wojciechowski has said as much himself and it was reiterated in the film. At the time MoC was sitting at 850 yards in 6 starts and had a shot at over 2000 yards, which would force the discussion whether a true freshman could (or should) win the Heisman. The story turned when Wojo was taken aback by how smart Clarett was and how he could recall contract figures and signing bonuses for a number of stars in different sports off the top of his head.
You can't fault the athletic department, coaching staff, or university officials for allowing a star player to interview for a Heisman-puff piece. The seed for what wound up in print did not sprout until after the interviews were over and Wojo went back through his tapes and transcribed the conversation.
You can't fault the athletic department, coaching staff, or university officials for allowing a star player to interview for a Heisman-puff piece. The seed for what wound up in print did not sprout until after the interviews were over and Wojo went back through his tapes and transcribed the conversation.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
I certainly don't have a problem with letting a star player do an interview. LV contends that Steve Snapp not only allowed the article (again no problem) but was knowledgeable and complicit (i.e. "gave him the jersey to throw) in its direction and ultimate content. If that truly is the case--that Steve Snapp willingly took part knowing the intention of the magazine and MoC--he should have been fired because that is just plain gross incompetence. If he wasn't complicit (i.e. was simply doing his part in what he thought would be a standard publicity piece) and Clarett subsequently hijacked it to go on his rants about leaving, then MC should have been disciplined and benched. In no way, do I see how both of them were allowed to walk away from that disaster unscathed. Then again, Tressel had already given MC so much rope (and would do so again and again that year) that he clearly was not the one who was going to draw the line or establish any sort of boundaries whatsoever, which became the job that Geiger had to eventually step in and do.
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But the reality is that what happened is not as black and white as the ink that finally landed on paper. The nuanced truth just isn't as pretty as our tidy assignments of innocence and guilt because we only grasp the details of what is open to the public and are compelled to place those bits in a timeline.
I don't blame Clarett for being an engaging interview subject and offering something insightful aside from the 'I owe it all to my offensive line and God' bullshit we always hear. I don't blame Snapp for not terminating all contact with ESPN when he did not see anything out of the ordinary or have any reason to believe something out of the ordinary would make it to print. And I don't blame Wojo for changing course with his piece to write something far more compelling with the material at hand when none of it was misrepresented or quoted out of context.
It does not have to be somebody's fault. Sometimes shit just happens.
Really, the only thing that was objectionable about the whole piece was one photo of Maurice shedding 'the unlucky' #13 and tossing it to the ground. I guess what really grinds my gears about the whole thing was that Buckeye fans got in a twist about nothing and it wound up being an even bigger story nationally than it otherwise should have been. Every perceived slight, no matter how insignificant, is evidence of some vast conspiracy, someones incompetence, or both.
OMGZ, Maurice is throwing away his jersey, how dare that ungrateful punk do that. Why he no lovez my Buckeyes??~!!111!111
I don't blame Clarett for being an engaging interview subject and offering something insightful aside from the 'I owe it all to my offensive line and God' bullshit we always hear. I don't blame Snapp for not terminating all contact with ESPN when he did not see anything out of the ordinary or have any reason to believe something out of the ordinary would make it to print. And I don't blame Wojo for changing course with his piece to write something far more compelling with the material at hand when none of it was misrepresented or quoted out of context.
It does not have to be somebody's fault. Sometimes shit just happens.
Really, the only thing that was objectionable about the whole piece was one photo of Maurice shedding 'the unlucky' #13 and tossing it to the ground. I guess what really grinds my gears about the whole thing was that Buckeye fans got in a twist about nothing and it wound up being an even bigger story nationally than it otherwise should have been. Every perceived slight, no matter how insignificant, is evidence of some vast conspiracy, someones incompetence, or both.
OMGZ, Maurice is throwing away his jersey, how dare that ungrateful punk do that. Why he no lovez my Buckeyes??~!!111!111
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Well, its just a question of looking at it and seeing it as a symptom, and I think that's very tempting, and, may be valid.
The reality is, if the the interview had been the end of the problems, no one would care. Instead it was the beginning, and that's the point ORD is trying to make.
Gieger can look however they want to make him out to be, in the end, he did what he had to do, and for my part, a few details aside (none of them relating to this) I think he was an outstanding AD.
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