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YOUNGSTOWN BOYS

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Onebuckfan said:
IMO tOSU makes legends legends don't make tOSU..would Woody be a legend if he stayed at Miami, Archie at Kent State. Its the size, passion of alumni and fans, traditions that make tOSU. Almost any player who goes through tOSU and graduates can parlay his time on the football team into something special for his career or family. Who thought JT would become a legend or Troy Smith or Lil Animal..etc etc.
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Then read the biography of Chic Harley. Ohio State football took off with him. Throw in the genius of St. John, who had the vision to build an 80K stadium... the program was built by, and stands on the shoulders of many.

Chic: The Extraordinary Rise of Ohio State Football and the Tragic Schoolboy Athlete Who Made It Happen Hardcover
by Bob Hunter (Author) , John Baskin (Editor)
 
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Onebuckfan said:
IMO tOSU makes legends legends don't make tOSU..would Woody be a legend if he stayed at Miami, Archie at Kent State. Its the size, passion of alumni and fans, traditions that make tOSU. Almost any player who goes through tOSU and graduates can parlay his time on the football team into something special for his career or family. Who thought JT would become a legend or Troy Smith or Lil Animal..etc etc.
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They don't call Ohio Stadium 'the house that Harley built' for nothing.

They don't give out gold pants if Francis Schmidt never makes that speech, and then back it up by ripping off the first 4-game win streak for the good guys in the history of the rivalry.

At the beginning of the '54 season, planes were flying over the stadium with banners that read "So long, Woody!" But then some kid named Hop Cassady got loose, and everything changed.

The don't call it the graveyard of coaches for nothing. (When was the last time an Ohio State coach retired?)

The legends clearly made Ohio State. People may add to the legends. They may become legends of their own. But the legends made it. They always do.
 
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Watched Youngstown Boys this morning. I still hold a grudge against Clarett for what he did to Ohio State but I now find myself rooting for him after watching the documentary. Mistakes and out of context quotes aside, it was an informational piece. I also still hold a grudge against Jim Tressel for the colossal blunders he made during his time at Ohio State. I also truly believe that he made those blunders with the players best interests at heart. Others may argue to the contrary but they won't convince me. He is a good, flawed man like many of us.

The documentary also reinforced a point that I already knew...Jim Brown is an asshole.
 
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ysubuck said:
Watched Youngstown Boys this morning. I still hold a grudge against Clarett for what he did to Ohio State but I now find myself rooting for him after watching the documentary. Mistakes and out of context quotes aside, it was an informational piece. I also still hold a grudge against Jim Tressel for the colossal blunders he made during his time at Ohio State. I also truly believe that he made those blunders with the players best interests at heart. Others may argue to the contrary but they won't convince me. He is a good, flawed man like many of us.

The documentary also reinforced a point that I already knew...Jim Brown is an asshole.
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So much this, one thing I keep going back to with the Pryor debacle was the email Jim got in regards to some of his athletes and drugs. In my opinion this was not as simple as some kids smoking some weed, I truly feel this issue was a lot deeper and centered around one or two kids dealing or associated in a big way with distribution of drugs. I think Tressel had a lot of guilt on how the MoC situation went down and clearly saw a kid who was far worse by not being with the program then out of it. In my heart he lied to protect TP. He knew TP did not have the strong support outside of the program and would become another situation like MoC. I understand and can relate to that 100%. I am not sure what moral boundaries I have when it comes to protecting my family or helping them and his love for his kids was greater then the risk of getting caught lying, etc... I have never been upset with JT.

What I took away from the documentary was that 99% of us (absolutely me in that group) have no idea how a locker room at Ohio State works, let alone the machine of OSU athletic department with big money, big boosters, and rapid fans wanting a piece of the action all the time. I think ESPN did MoC a huge solid, he walked away from that documentary looking like a victim and I will never believe that is the case. If a similar movie was made with the view point from Andy Geiger's point of view I think we walk away with something completely different then what we think of MoC now.
 
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lvbuckeye said:
The nickname started over 70 years ago...
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Yes, I don't think it's applied since Woody was hired. Not counting Fickell, Ohio State has had five coaches in sixty two years, and it would only be four if one hadn't gotten himself fired for ncaa violations. I'd put Texas and USC as the modern day coaching graveyards (and Alabama pre-Saban) among top tier programs.
 
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