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Young or Leinart?

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Who would you rather have directing your offense?

  • Vince Young

    Votes: 56 60.9%

  • Matt Leinart

    Votes: 36 39.1%
  • Total voters
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Brutus1 said:
There's no way the stupid Raiders don't take him if he's available
at#7, no way !!!!.

The NFL Network said the workout was pretty good.
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everybody else said it was bad.

Why would the Raiders (who rarely take a QB in the draft) waste a first round top 10 pick on a QB when they have 3 QBs on roster as it is......plus all of their holes on defense. It doesn't make sense. If Vince Young was a sure thing it might be considered. But he's as big a question mark as there ever has been in a draft.

No way you waste a pick on a question mark QB when you have such glaring needs on defense.
 
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USC's Pro Day

Rather than starting a new thread I'll tack onto this one.

USC's Pro day.

LINK (SI)

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Matt Leinart rolled to his left, and then back to his right before unleashing a perfectly thrown pass to Reggie Bush, who caught it some 30 yards downfield just inside the right sideline.
Just like it was drawn up, and the fans at Howard Jones Field cheered politely.
Then, it was on to the next play at USC's Pro Day on Sunday, where 19 former Southern California players worked out for more than 100 NFL representatives including head coaches John Fox of Carolina, Jeff Fisher of Tennessee and Gary Kubiak of Houston.
Most of the 19 are sure to be drafted later this month, including anywhere from three to six in the first round.
Thus, the large turnout, and those on hand were properly impressed.
"This is like a mini-combine, from an NFL standpoint," Fox said.
The majority of prospective prospects take part in the NFL Combine at Indianapolis every February, but several schools hold their own Pro Days.
"It's like a who's who, and it's just one university," said Baltimore Ravens assistant John Fassel, the son of former Giants coach Jim Fassel.
"This is the greatest aggregation of offensive firepower ever assembled on one pro scouting day from one school," said Leigh Steinberg, who represents Leinart and offensive tackle Winston Justice.
"Its like `Star Wars' with hundreds of recruits and media from across the country," Steinberg said, adding he hadn't seen anything like this is his 32 years representing players.
"Pete Carroll has really outdone himself," Steinberg said of the USC coach. "Pete has put the primacy on USC football on display for the whole nation to see."
Carroll, who has guided the Trojans to a 48-4 record over the past four seasons, combined junior day, an annual event where several prospective high school recruits tour the campus, with Pro Day.
"This is what we were dreaming it would be -- just like this," he said.
With about 1,000 fans and recruits in the stands at Cromwell Field, the players took part in several drills including the vertical jump, 40-yard dash, standing long jump, weight lifting and different cone drills.
Then, everyone moved over to Howard Jones Field across the street for more drills.
Bush and Leinart, the last two Heisman Trophy winners who many experts believe will go 1-2 in the draft, were generally satisfied with how they did.
And they were glad the day was over.
"Oh, yeah," Bush said with a smile. "I'm going to take a vacation."
Bush outdid his former teammates in three areas, clocking 4.33 seconds in the 40, recording a 401/2-inch vertical jump, and going 10 feet, 81/2 inches in the standing broad jump. He had 24 repetitions bench-pressing 225 pounds.
"I would have liked to have run a little faster -- I thought I could push a 4.29 out there, a 4.3-flat," he said. "This part of it is just trying to separate yourselves from the pack."
Bush, a runaway winner of the Heisman last season, has already done that.
"There's a lot of guys who are fast," said Baltimore Ravens assistant Mark Carrier, a defensive back at USC from 1986-89. "What makes him special is what he does when he has the ball in his hands. The guy up the street might run 4.2. But there aren't many guys who can do what he can do with the football."
It's been anticipated for months that Bush will go No. 1 in the April 29-30 draft to the Houston Texans. He said he met Saturday night with representatives of the Texans.
"It wasn't anything serious," he said, adding a similar meeting was planned Sunday night with the Tennessee Titans.
Leinart threw around 45 passes and was on-target with almost all of them. Afterward, he spoke of showing his athleticism, ability to throw on the run, and arm strength.
He had a vertical jump of 37 inches, but didn't run the 40.
"They know I'm not a running quarterback -- the 40-yard dash for me is pointless," he said.
Steinberg, who has represented eight overall No. 1 selections in the draft, said he wouldn't be surprised if Leinart winds up No. 1.
"This day explodes the myth of heady quarterback with intangibles, cements Matt's status as the franchise quarterback pick at the top of the draft," Steinberg said.
Two potential first-round picks might be heading in opposite directions. Offensive tackle Winston Justice, who weighed in at 320 pounds, had a vertical jump of 39 inches and did 38 repetitions bench-pressing 225 pounds.
"It was like there was air in the bar, no iron," Fassel said, shaking his head.
Running back LenDale White didn't run the 40 because of a sore hamstring, and did 15 reps in the bench-press -- only one more than punter Tom Malone. Plus, he weighed in at 244 pounds, which is probably more than what NFL teams want.
"I was surprised," Bush said regarding the fact that White didn't run the 40. "He said he was hurt."
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A 37-inch vertical for Leinart is impressive. He knows he's not going to make a living in the NFL by running, but he's more athletic than a lot of people realize.
 
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It's really a difficult decision, in my opinion. Being a Texans and Titans fan, I hope that the Texans draft Reggie Bush, and then the Titans obviously need to find a future heir to McNair, and this year would be a really good year to choose out of all the QB's in the draft. Cutler is a really good option, as well. However, he never really played in any big games, and you don't know how good his composure is until he plays in a big game. Vince Young is an exciting, human highlight-reel, but his passing game is still suspect (in my opinion), and I'm not sure how effective it would be in the NFL. Vince Young would more than likely generate bigger crowds at the games. However, Matt Leinart is not as much of a gamble, and he would certainly mesh with Norm Chow, his former offensive coordinator. I'm just assuming that the first quarterback will be drafted by the Titans.

So, my view is that if you want immediate success, then you go with Leinart, and if you're willing to take a few years and polish your QB's skills, then Young might be the better option.

I was very biased two months ago, and wanted to see Young in a Titans jersey, but now I realize that Leinart has a better chance of being a better, more effective NFL QB. Whoever is chosen, I won't be disappointed, either way. However, Matt Leinart is the better quarterback, in my opinion, and seems to have all the qualities a successful NFL QB needs, in order to be successful.
 
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But he's as big a question mark as there ever has been in a draft.
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I understand that people still have their doubts about VY, what I don't understand is why they have as many as they do. I get the throwing motion thing, i wouldn't worry about it personally, but i do understand that this is a tangable concern. I also understand why a running qb is a risk. However, Vince is not your everyday run of the mill option qb. The guy threw for over 3,000 yards last year. He can throw the ball, hell he even had a better pro day than Leinart did.

I guess my point is that while I completly understand why people love Leinart, I am equally as perplexed as to why Vince is "as big a question mark as there ever has been in a draft" I am not trying to call out BN27 either as he is hardly the only one saying this.

bottom line is that i will be a fan of any team that vince plays for and i look forward to the day that he makes those that passed on him very sorry
 
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IronBuckI, this is nitpicking but I wanted to point it out because it is a common misconception.

Young, with the exception of the last touchdown against us, has always taken to improvising with his legs, i.e. primary receiver's not open, better run it
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Vince won the Kansas game for us his Soph. year in Lawrence with one of the most beautiful passes I have ever seen. While rolling to his left with 15 or so seconds left on the clock.

http://www.jcdenton40.com/2004.html
scroll down to the kansas game and then right click and save as Tony Jeffery game winning td reception. the replays are also worth checking out as they show just how tight that throw was

Isn't it funny that seemingly the only thing that keeps vince from being a lock in the nfl is that he doesn't look like ryan leaf when he throws....fun way to think about it huh
 
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High Lonesome said:
I understand that people still have their doubts about VY, what I don't understand is why they have as many as they do. I get the throwing motion thing, i wouldn't worry about it personally, but i do understand that this is a tangable concern. I also understand why a running qb is a risk. However, Vince is not your everyday run of the mill option qb. The guy threw for over 3,000 yards last year. He can throw the ball, hell he even had a better pro day than Leinart did.

I guess my point is that while I completly understand why people love Leinart, I am equally as perplexed as to why Vince is "as big a question mark as there ever has been in a draft" I am not trying to call out BN27 either as he is hardly the only one saying this.

bottom line is that i will be a fan of any team that vince plays for and i look forward to the day that he makes those that passed on him very sorry
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Sorry I missed this.....

The reason I think he's a huge question mark is because nobody has ever done what he's done in the NFL before. A good handful do it in college and then either change to WR or DB, or they just flop as a QB. In a position so important to NFL success, I wouldn't use my pick on him.

If the question were changed to assume that he would be successful in the NFL then it's a no brainer....VY all the way. I just don't see his game transferring well to the NFL because there's nobody to compare him to. He's not Vick, he's not Leftwich, he's not Culpepper, he's not Gannon....
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
Sorry I missed this.....

The reason I think he's a huge question mark is because nobody has ever done what he's done in the NFL before. A good handful do it in college and then either change to WR or DB, or they just flop as a QB. In a position so important to NFL success, I wouldn't use my pick on him.

If the question were changed to assume that he would be successful in the NFL then it's a no brainer....VY all the way. I just don't see his game transferring well to the NFL because there's nobody to compare him to. He's not Vick, he's not Leftwich, he's not Culpepper, he's not Gannon....
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I actually think that the best comparison is Steve Young, JMHO as I am sure that there are more than a few that will disagree
 
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