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Young or Leinart?

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Who would you rather have directing your offense?

  • Vince Young

    Votes: 56 60.9%

  • Matt Leinart

    Votes: 36 39.1%
  • Total voters
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I voted for Leinart on the assumption that we are talking about their futures in the Pros.

However, if you are talking about College Football I'd switch that vote in a heart beat.

Why?

Because it is tougher to get the kind of supporting cast to show of Leinart's skills - USC has several sequential top-rated recruiting classes and an O-line that is virtually second to none in the college game, plus great receivers and superb running game support.

Now put Leinart on a team with lesser depth, good, just not great - what do have? Something like Stanton at MSU without the running ability.

Conversely, put Young on MSU's squad, what would you have? Instant Big 10 title contender. (Mid-season psychologist also required).

In the pros making either pick would not lose the GM their job. But, if it was say the Jets pick and they took Young over Leinart there would a wailing and a gnashing of teeth by their fans that draft day.
 
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ScarletBlood31 said:
Ok I guess that Reggie Bush's phenomenal season was worthless just because his defense couldn't step up in the title game.
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Young had two of his best games against us and USC, the number 2 and 4 teams in the country. I don't think Bush can say that.


As for who I would take, I would take Young, b/c he has shown all season that he has improved and he is bigger than most running qb's giving him an advantage when taking hits.
 
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crazybuckfan40 said:
Young had two of his best games against us and USC, the number 2 and 4 teams in the country. I don't think Bush can say that.


As for who I would take, I would take Young, b/c he has shown all season that he has improved and he is bigger than most running qb's giving him an advantage when taking hits.
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Still, though, while I commend Young on having an unreal game for the championship, I still think that you can not take away from Bush after the game, but you can still give more to Young. Bush played a hell of alot better defense, and also at his position it is easier to focus on him (which opened the game up for Lendale White, Dwayne Jarrett, etc.) And didn't Bush end up with somethin aroud 180 yards of offense?

Young is also just physically more dominant, against a weak defense. I'll reword what I said earlier because I think some people took it the wrong way. I think that Reggie Bush is still the heisman winner, because of what he has done all year, and I think alot of people have taken away from that because he didn't dominate the NC game like he did other games. I think for the Heisman, you have to look at the whole year in general, and what Bush did is a once in generation thing, and therefore should have been rewarded with the Heisman.

Any other year, Vince Young is the Heisman Trophy winner.
 
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Reggie Bush decides to come back to college, for the sake of my hypothetical. The texans trade carr for another 1st round pick.

The texans are in desperate need of a quick fix. I believe Young can accomplish more than Leinart can with that OL. Leinart got knocked around a little vs ND, and had Texas' entire defense not cramped up (spiked water :p), I would have been interested to see how Leinart did in the second half (when there was almost no pressure on him).

Both are very talented. However, as marquee picks destined for horrible teams, I believe Young is the better short term choice for success.
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Still, though, while I commend Young on having an unreal game for the championship, I still think that you can not take away from Bush after the game, but you can still give more to Young. Bush played a hell of alot better defense, and also at his position it is easier to focus on him (which opened the game up for Lendale White, Dwayne Jarrett, etc.) And didn't Bush end up with somethin aroud 180 yards of offense?

Young is also just physically more dominant, against a weak defense. I'll reword what I said earlier because I think some people took it the wrong way. I think that Reggie Bush is still the heisman winner, because of what he has done all year, and I think alot of people have taken away from that because he didn't dominate the NC game like he did other games. I think for the Heisman, you have to look at the whole year in general, and what Bush did is a once in generation thing, and therefore should have been rewarded with the Heisman.

Any other year, Vince Young is the Heisman Trophy winner.
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Young did a few other things in 05 besides beat OSU and USC, but I won't get into that.

Bush is a very talented player. However, the first time he faced a defense which didn't overpursue, miss tackles, and lack competent D1 speed.... all of a sudden he looked more pedestrian. He still had great plays, like the TD, or a few other dynamic plays. However, unlike all of the other plays where he could just sneak around the outside, cut back, and dance thru defenders like he did in HS... he was limited to 5-8 yards on most of those plays... if not much less.

Suddenly he did not possess twice the speed of all of the players chasing him. People didn't fall all around him any time he juked.

He is an extraordinary athlete, however I think there would have been a lot more NC performances and a lot less fresno performances... had he played in the Big10 or SEC.

Any other year, a heisman winner would face at least one decent defense.
 
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I love the injury remarks...

Leinart is the flimsy one out of the two...

I can't recall the last time Vince took even half a game off due to injury.

Young in a heartbeat. Proven winner, shows up in big games. Leinart: proven winner, but when pushed to the wall, has Bush and White to help him out. Young does it all by himself. If I had to build a team around one of the two, I'm taking Vince all the way.
 
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I'm not taking anything away from Young, or meaning to say that he would be undeserving of the Heisman, I just think it went to the right man this year IMO. I can see the case made for Young, but I guess the thing that really nagged me all year was that besides tOSU, Young played a lot of really, really horrible teams. Just for the fact that he stepped up in the NC game (still against a pretty bad defense), he gained alot of respect from me. It isn't his fault though for Texas's scheduling, so I won't hold that against him. I wish him the best of luck throughout his career and hope everything works out well for him.
 
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I doubt you would put ND and OSU on the same plateau... therefore who exactly did USC play along the way? Fresno didn't do too well in their bowl, nor did Oregon. UCLA managed to win the battle of the two worst defenses vs two great offenses. Arizona State gave up more yardage to a 50th ranked offense in their bowl game than they did to USC.

If you make a case for these pac10 teams being good, it is on the merits of their offense, not their defense. Therefore, Bush should be handcuffed just as much as vince in your evaluation.
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methomps, I'm guessing he means Leinart was off his rocker for a half due to big hits.
ScarletBlood31 said:
Ok I guess that Reggie Bush's phenomenal season was worthless just because his defense couldn't step up in the title game.
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no, people are second-guessing the heisman voting now that reggie looked human against his first true competition on D.
 
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jwinslow said:
I doubt you would put ND and OSU on the same plateau... therefore who exactly did USC play along the way? Fresno didn't do too well in their bowl, nor did Oregon. UCLA managed to win the battle of the two worst defenses vs two great offenses. Arizona State gave up more yardage to a 50th ranked offense in their bowl game than they did to USC.
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A lot of meandering arguments. USC's margin of victory over Arkansas was more than that of all six of their SEC defeats combined. Hardly conclusive of anything.

no, people are second-guessing the heisman voting now that reggie looked human against his first true competition on D.
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It's a tough crowd when 177 yards rushing and receiving is cause for second-guessing one's Heisman worthiness.
 
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