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Jaxbuck;1885779; said:
Read the report LJB linked. It's pretty clear that the NCAA was involved almost immediately upon the discovery of the emails.
and once the NCAA is looking into something, it puts a gag order on anyone involved until whatever it is they are investigating is fully reported.
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CleveBucks
Serenity now
You can read the entire emails at the end of this page:
http://www2.nbc4i.com/mgmedia/file/127/osu-tressel-emails/
Just my opinion, but they don't paint JT in a flattering light. All of the emails make it pretty clear that NCAA violations probably occurred. The first email didn't ask for confidentiality in any way. When confidentiality was asked for a couple weeks later, that request didn't come from the Feds, and JT was under no obligation to honor the request. He should have sought out legal counsel after the first email, along with forwarding it to the compliance guys.
http://www2.nbc4i.com/mgmedia/file/127/osu-tressel-emails/
Just my opinion, but they don't paint JT in a flattering light. All of the emails make it pretty clear that NCAA violations probably occurred. The first email didn't ask for confidentiality in any way. When confidentiality was asked for a couple weeks later, that request didn't come from the Feds, and JT was under no obligation to honor the request. He should have sought out legal counsel after the first email, along with forwarding it to the compliance guys.
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Florida Buckeye
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I personally don't care what Mark May, other analysts, or anyone else has to has to say. I'm a fan and this is what I heard:
1. JT got an e-mail about a federal drug trafficking investigation that asked him to keep it confidential (didn't hear anything about it asking him to investigate possible NCAA violations).
2. JT emotionally reacted to the e-mail not from NCAA standpoint, but from a player safety standpoint. Reprisals from drug traffickers against players.
3. He didn't report due to the confidentiality and safety concern. Same reason he didn't sit the players because seriously, people are going to notice that and ask questions.
The only question I have is why did this not come to light back in December? The federal drug trafficking case was out of the bag so he should have come clean.
I'm still a fan and we'll see how it goes.
1. JT got an e-mail about a federal drug trafficking investigation that asked him to keep it confidential (didn't hear anything about it asking him to investigate possible NCAA violations).
2. JT emotionally reacted to the e-mail not from NCAA standpoint, but from a player safety standpoint. Reprisals from drug traffickers against players.
3. He didn't report due to the confidentiality and safety concern. Same reason he didn't sit the players because seriously, people are going to notice that and ask questions.
The only question I have is why did this not come to light back in December? The federal drug trafficking case was out of the bag so he should have come clean.
I'm still a fan and we'll see how it goes.
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I'm sure there is MUCH more to both sides of this story that we are not being told.
Tressel was not truthful and must pay the consequences just as his players.
Do I agree that Jim was in a tough spot, "yes", did he handle it like any level-headed person should, "no."
Take the discipline and move on.
Tressel was not truthful and must pay the consequences just as his players.
Do I agree that Jim was in a tough spot, "yes", did he handle it like any level-headed person should, "no."
Take the discipline and move on.
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Jagdaddy
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Jaxbuck;1885779; said:
It's harder to take JT at his word: Given what we know, it's hard to find fault with anyone else in the Administration IMO. Tress should get more than two games here though, and I strongly suspect, based on the Bruce Pearl precedent and the supposed higher morality of the Big Ten brand that Delaney's going to drop the hammer on JT with suspensions for some Big Ten games if that's within his power to do (I don't know the Big Ten rules).
On a sad note, given the admission in today's OSU self-report that JT thought that ineligibility was inevitable for the two players he was told about, I suspect that the official record for 2010 is going to be 0-13: If he really thought that, he needed to suspend the guys for "violation of team rules".
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MaxBuck
SoCal, Baby!
I?m going to take a little time to get my ideas down on the whole Jim Tressel ?Disclosuregate? business. I?m motivated to do so because I?m a big Jim Tressel fan, and because I?ve heard so much noise from national pundits about the ?scandal at Ohio State caused by Jim Tressel?s failure to disclose? information that ?he knew as much as eight months before? the announcement in December 2010 regarding the memorabilia sale by six Buckeye gridders. Media bloggers, pundits, and others are jumping joyfully onto a bandwagon of critical judgment of all things Ohio State ? surely this shows we are a ?dirty program,? and that Jim Tressel is a ?liar.? Hearing this sort of suggestion from such sources as Paul Finebaum, Senior Apologist for the University of Alabama, can surely be galling to lifelong Buckeye fans like me.
Well, the long and the short of it all for me is simply this: we Buckeye fans are fortunate beyond measure to have a man like Coach Tressel at the helm of our football program. He has time and again demonstrated his deep love and concern for the young men whose parents have entrusted their sons to his care. He has time and again demonstrated his ethical and moral rectitude by placing a higher emphasis on family, team spirit and learning than on on-field performance (though he sure hasn?t disappointed in that last metric). He has never deflected blame onto others ? to the contrary, he has accepted blame when most of us would be flabbergasted by the idea of doing so.
Returning to this specific situation, it is true that he has admitted that he put a number of considerations above ?NCAA compliance? in the hierarchy of priorities; though he didn?t phrase it this way, let?s list what those priorities were:
1. Welfare of the student-athletes. This is, and has always been, Number One on the list of what?s important for Coach Jim Tressel. As the parent of a former D1A athlete, I would always want my kid?s coach to have this at the pinnacle of priorities. Tressel has in this case, as he has before, done the right thing by not leaping to conclusions, prematurely suspending kids before all the facts were in, and by not disclosing names nor allegations before the young men themselves had fully acknowledged what they did and when they did it.
2. Respect for the legal system. Coach Tressel was asked by an attorney to hold the information he received as confidential so as not to jeopardize the legal rights of accused individuals. By doing so, ultimately he cost himself a quarter-million dollars and the opportunity to coach two games of Ohio State Buckeye football.
3. Placing a higher degree of importance to investigating a federal drug-trafficking case than to addressing NCAA rules. It seems clear that in the early days of communications regarding this whole mess, the overriding concern was with the possibility that drug trafficking had somehow infiltrated the Buckeye football team. Disclosure of information could conceivably interfered with investigating crimes that truly affect many people in very profound ways.
What could Coach Tressel done differently? I?m sure that in the clear lens of 20/20 hindsight, pundits will rush to propound all the things that they would have done better; decisions they would have made more soundly; disclosures they would have made sooner with absolutely no fear of collateral damage. What absolute nonsense such suggestions are.
Buckeye fans, remember this: no one can say truthfully that they would have made better decisions at the time, given that no one knows the fullness of available information, legal constraints, and other considerations that a major D1A football coach faces generally, and especially that Jim Tressel faced in this specific instance. If a pundit claims otherwise, it is because the pundit wishes to project upon himself a light of wisdom that he or she does not really possess. If a fan of another team claims otherwise, it is simply a symptom of envy, because at heart every such fan must know that his coach can never hope to reach the level of ethical and moral rectitude, nor of critical judgment, that Jim Tressel has reached. If a player for another team claims otherwise, it could be a result of his immaturity, or it could be a symptom of a wish that he could have played for a coach the caliber of Jim Tressel.
Is the consequence of his actions, a two-game suspension and a $250,000 penalty, just? I submit that it is; regardless of the motivations, the outcome of Coach Tressel?s actions was a major violation of NCAA rules. So I don?t question the penalty, just as I suspect Jim Tressel does not question it. If you are a great leader who has made a decision that results in negative impacts, regardless of the difficulties of the decision, you accept the consequences and move on. Jim Tressel is a great leader, so this is what he has done.
Given the appropriateness of the penalty, however, I have to say that there has never been a coach that I?ve been as proud of as Jim Tressel, and I?ve never been as proud of Coach Tressel as I am tonight. God bless Jim Tressel, God bless President Gordon Gee, and God bless The Ohio State University and the Buckeyes.
GO BUCKS!
Well, the long and the short of it all for me is simply this: we Buckeye fans are fortunate beyond measure to have a man like Coach Tressel at the helm of our football program. He has time and again demonstrated his deep love and concern for the young men whose parents have entrusted their sons to his care. He has time and again demonstrated his ethical and moral rectitude by placing a higher emphasis on family, team spirit and learning than on on-field performance (though he sure hasn?t disappointed in that last metric). He has never deflected blame onto others ? to the contrary, he has accepted blame when most of us would be flabbergasted by the idea of doing so.
Returning to this specific situation, it is true that he has admitted that he put a number of considerations above ?NCAA compliance? in the hierarchy of priorities; though he didn?t phrase it this way, let?s list what those priorities were:
1. Welfare of the student-athletes. This is, and has always been, Number One on the list of what?s important for Coach Jim Tressel. As the parent of a former D1A athlete, I would always want my kid?s coach to have this at the pinnacle of priorities. Tressel has in this case, as he has before, done the right thing by not leaping to conclusions, prematurely suspending kids before all the facts were in, and by not disclosing names nor allegations before the young men themselves had fully acknowledged what they did and when they did it.
2. Respect for the legal system. Coach Tressel was asked by an attorney to hold the information he received as confidential so as not to jeopardize the legal rights of accused individuals. By doing so, ultimately he cost himself a quarter-million dollars and the opportunity to coach two games of Ohio State Buckeye football.
3. Placing a higher degree of importance to investigating a federal drug-trafficking case than to addressing NCAA rules. It seems clear that in the early days of communications regarding this whole mess, the overriding concern was with the possibility that drug trafficking had somehow infiltrated the Buckeye football team. Disclosure of information could conceivably interfered with investigating crimes that truly affect many people in very profound ways.
What could Coach Tressel done differently? I?m sure that in the clear lens of 20/20 hindsight, pundits will rush to propound all the things that they would have done better; decisions they would have made more soundly; disclosures they would have made sooner with absolutely no fear of collateral damage. What absolute nonsense such suggestions are.
Buckeye fans, remember this: no one can say truthfully that they would have made better decisions at the time, given that no one knows the fullness of available information, legal constraints, and other considerations that a major D1A football coach faces generally, and especially that Jim Tressel faced in this specific instance. If a pundit claims otherwise, it is because the pundit wishes to project upon himself a light of wisdom that he or she does not really possess. If a fan of another team claims otherwise, it is simply a symptom of envy, because at heart every such fan must know that his coach can never hope to reach the level of ethical and moral rectitude, nor of critical judgment, that Jim Tressel has reached. If a player for another team claims otherwise, it could be a result of his immaturity, or it could be a symptom of a wish that he could have played for a coach the caliber of Jim Tressel.
Is the consequence of his actions, a two-game suspension and a $250,000 penalty, just? I submit that it is; regardless of the motivations, the outcome of Coach Tressel?s actions was a major violation of NCAA rules. So I don?t question the penalty, just as I suspect Jim Tressel does not question it. If you are a great leader who has made a decision that results in negative impacts, regardless of the difficulties of the decision, you accept the consequences and move on. Jim Tressel is a great leader, so this is what he has done.
Given the appropriateness of the penalty, however, I have to say that there has never been a coach that I?ve been as proud of as Jim Tressel, and I?ve never been as proud of Coach Tressel as I am tonight. God bless Jim Tressel, God bless President Gordon Gee, and God bless The Ohio State University and the Buckeyes.
GO BUCKS!
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BearBuck27
Game Day!!!
CleveBucks;1885787; said:
Ooooh, those aren't pretty. More than 2 games most likely, and I agree with what someone else said earlier. I think Delaney will help levy some more punishment as well. Those were tough to read.
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UpNorthBuckeye
Hall of Fame
I am pretty satisfied both with finding out what really happened, and also that other than going to the top counsel at OSU, he could not have handled it differently.
Reading between the lines of what he said, "what could I have done differently?" he mentioned going to the legal counsel.
Also reading between the lines, I sense that he was truly concerned for his players, he was truly worried that it might be something bigger.
I can also believe that if I'm him, in December when everything came to light, I am hoping that the NCAA would agree that he thought he was handling it properly, to keep it confidential.
I think the self imposed sanctions are enough.
And I still think Tressel is The Man.
I love what he said at the end of his statement... no player committed any crimes. They're all in school. and they will all graduate.
I might be a slappy, but so what?
Reading between the lines of what he said, "what could I have done differently?" he mentioned going to the legal counsel.
Also reading between the lines, I sense that he was truly concerned for his players, he was truly worried that it might be something bigger.
I can also believe that if I'm him, in December when everything came to light, I am hoping that the NCAA would agree that he thought he was handling it properly, to keep it confidential.
I think the self imposed sanctions are enough.
And I still think Tressel is The Man.
I love what he said at the end of his statement... no player committed any crimes. They're all in school. and they will all graduate.
I might be a slappy, but so what?
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buxfan4life
The future's so bright, I've gotta wear... shades.
What do these emails say that wasn't said by the man himself in the press conference? He outright admitted to getting these emails and how he responded to them. Yes, i think we all agree that he should have taken the first one to legal council, and the man admitted as much. But he didn't and he straight up said that was wrong.
Wow, there are some real bridge jumpers on here tonight.
Wow, there are some real bridge jumpers on here tonight.
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BearBuck27
Game Day!!!
UpNorthBuckeye;1885800; said:
"And that's all that matters to me" is how I believe he finished that thought, and I truly believe him. That's why I think higher of Jim Tressel than a lot of others that hold the same position.
We're all behind you, Coach.
Go Bucks!
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UpNorthBuckeye
Hall of Fame
I think 2 games, which equals 1/6th of the season, is plenty.BearBuck27;1885796; said:
The NCAA will dig into this and as public sentiment cools off and the sportswriters get caught up in the next big scandal (some coach will slap a player or get accused of being racist) they will forget about this.
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