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Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

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Gatorubet;1885820; said:
I just read the e-mails. I'm gonna take a hit on this, but it looks to me like the drug excuse is just that - an excuse. It was not the main focus of the e-mails. The gist of the e-mails involved the stuff that was signed and sold - possibility for free tats or cash - an about the rings and memorabilia sold or exchanged at the tat parlor.

The lawyer did not e-mail to Tress and say the players were being investigated as possible drug suspects. The lawyer in the e-mail said that they were doing exactly what they did in tat gate.

Tress looks much worse when you read this stuff. It is inexcusable. I think the penalty is too light, and I think the press conference comes off as misleading at worst, and disingenuous at best. Once people read the e-mails - the failure to report will look self serving for reasons keeping kids eligible. I do not know Tress' reasons, and you can take him at his word, but after reading the e-mails I do not buy it that it played out like it is being portrayed in the conference. I'm sorry to say it.

And I do not think that the NCAA will go along with the 2 games. I think it will be worse. And it should be. Fire away.

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You're certainly entitled to your opinion. Much like the people who run this place.

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craigblitz said:
From the emails... Doug Archie = creepy

There is so much of this every coach has to deal with it is crazy. No excuses what so ever, but I think JT was more concerned with his players being involved with drug dealing then them selling stuff.

No where in those emaild did I get a sense Student Athletes were in danger.... I got a full sense that JT wanted to keep this in house and he would deal with it.
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Thought it was weird that they included the name too, but I googled the name. Doug Archie is the associate athletics director for compliance and camps at OSU. He isn't the guy who emailed Tressel.
 
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Gatorubet nailed it..... Always hoped and wished JT was not a win at all cost type of guy, but actions and reading those emails has altered my view of him.

I am not saying I have no faith in him, or fire him, etc, but his reputation is tarnished, and that presser he gave makes the whole sincerity look fake as well.

Like everything else, let the truth come out, deal with it, move forward... GO BUCKS
 
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Unfortunately, I think a couple things about those emails need to be pointed out.

First, if you notice, in the first email sent by the attorney, he did not request confidentiality, meaning such a request can't really be used as a viable excuse for why the potential players' violation wasn't immediately reported to OSU compliance officials for consideration.

Second, given the manner in which the story was recounted at the press conference, I had been under the impression that the attorney that sent the emails was in some way involved with the actual construction of a case against this guy. In fact, that clearly was not the case. It appears to me that the attorney is a local Columbus attorney, perhaps an OSU grad/booster that Tressel may have been somewhat familiar with (one gets the impression that JT knew who this person was prior to the email exchange). It also sounds like he likely practices criminal law locally (note his reference to having to deal with low quality people; the fact that he met with the subject of the investigation; and the fact that he knows many people in local law enforcement). The email indicates he met with the parlor owner who was at the center of the federal investigation, presumably because the parlor owner was seeking legal advice. So the confidentiality requested of JT was not so much designed to preserve an ongoing federal investigation as to protect the attorney, who was basically breaching his duty of confidentiality to his client/prospective client. In that context, I find it very difficult to believe Tressel believed he couldn't and/or shouldn't report this information to compliance officers.

Third, I wouldn't exactly characterize Tressel's responses as those of someone grappling with whether he should or should not report the possible violations. His responses seem somewhat aloof and give the impression that he thought he could just handle the matter in house, regardless of any ongoing criminal investigation.

Unfortunately, I think those emails are pretty damning. Then again, the NCAA is great at finding ways not to enforce its rules.
 
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Gatorubet -- I have to agree with you. I will give Coach Tressel the benefit of the doubt on trying to talk to the players, but having "evidence" that at least a few players had violated NCAA rules and not reporting them to compliance ... its not hard to reach the conclusion most around the country will reach.
 
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t_BuckeyeScott;1885839; said:
Thought it was weird that they included the name too, but I googled the name. Doug Archie is the associate athletics director for compliance and camps at OSU. He isn't the guy who emailed Tressel.
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I just cannot figure out why Tressel never thought to pick up the phone and talk to one of the many attorneys available to the athletic department? Where is the common sense? My initial reaction after skimming the emails is he was trying to keep this in-house and avoid media attention. Hindsight is 20-20 and this time the decision was 100% wrong. Two games will not be all he gets.
 
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craigblitz;1885835; said:
From the emails... Doug Archie = creepy

There is so much of this every coach has to deal with it is crazy. No excuses what so ever, but I think JT was more concerned with his players being involved with drug dealing then them selling stuff.

No where in those emaild did I get a sense Student Athletes were in danger.... I got a full sense that JT wanted to keep this in house and he would deal with it.
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One e-mail said that Rife really was a drug dealer, and one mentioned in its postscripts that Rife was a convicted felon who had witnessed a friend being killed.

My biggest issue is why didn't JT mention this stuff in December, once the story broke.

But hearing ESPN guys (Bruce Feldman) say that tOSU only talked about it now because of the Yahoo story is annoying - did he completely miss the fact that tOSU said they found the e-mails in January and reported it to the NCAA on February 3rd?
 
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Gatorubet;1885820; said:
I just read the e-mails. I'm gonna take a hit on this, but it looks to me like the drug excuse is just that - an excuse. It was not the main focus of the e-mails. The gist of the e-mails involved the stuff that was signed and sold - possibility for free tats or cash - an about the rings and memorabilia sold or exchanged at the tat parlor.

The lawyer did not e-mail to Tress and say the players were being investigated as possible drug suspects. The lawyer in the e-mail said that they were doing exactly what they did in tat gate.

Tress looks much worse when you read this stuff. It is inexcusable. I think the penalty is too light, and I think the press conference comes off as misleading at worst, and disingenuous at best. Once people read the e-mails - the failure to report will look self serving for reasons keeping kids eligible. I do not know Tress' reasons, and you can take him at his word, but after reading the e-mails I do not buy it that it played out like it is being portrayed in the conference. I'm sorry to say it.

And I do not think that the NCAA will go along with the 2 games. I think it will be worse. And it should be. Fire away.

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Unfortunately, I totally agree.
 
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BuckeyeInTheBoro;1885745; said:
Self-report-winning! They say this like it's a bad thing.
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They also fail to report that Ohio State has 36 varsity sports programs and that those violations cover all 36 sports. They also fail to note that a school like LSU, for instance only has 18 varsity sports and will obviously have less to report on. Most universities carry 18-22 varsity sports.
 
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