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Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

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scarletmike;1887627; said:
Gator, from what I remember, the University (not sure whether it was their counsel or the Athletic Department directly) was contacted by "the feds" (they never clarified if it was the FBI or another agent of the investigation) and told that they had found memorabilia in raid(s) of one of their suspects in the investigation (Rife), and that he claimed they had been sold/exchanged to him by the players in question.

I highly doubt they were telling the school "Hey, you have guys that just committed an NCAA infraction." I would guess it was more along the lines of "Hey, your kids supposedly sold valuable items to our suspect, but we don't believe them to be involved in our real case. Do you have any other information to add?"
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Yeah Mike, but that was December. That does not bail Tress out for April to December, and more particularly September. And if there was an FBI reason they would have informed the NCAA back in December when the eligibility thing was bargained. There was no reason to sanction Tress now. There is no logical reason for the FBI or Justice to care if you talk about guys selling tats for stuff unless it involves drugs. And even Tress says you were not involved with that. So you want me to believe that the FBI is orchestrating a silence cover up over a matter in which the players have no involvement. So...no. I do not accept that.
 
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SEREbuckeye;1887515; said:
Remove JT? Remove him from a game or remove him from his post as The Ohio State University Head Football Coach?

If you think a university like ours is going to throw a man - a future state of Ohio legend - under the bus after after 8 BCS Bowl appearances and 9 victories against Michigan, over something like this you are wrong. When you say "Ohio State" to a casual college fan one thing comes to mind and its not our fine business college or our stellar medical labs. Its football. Football is to Columbus as a Swiss Miss roll is to Charlie Weis. The fans that pack the 105,000 seat Ohio Stadium every Saturday have been waiting for a coach with the coaching prowess and football intellect as Jim Tressel's since December 30, 1979. Ohio State sports - football especially - is the sole reason great dot com sites like Buckeye Planet exist. The Ohio State University leaders know who the money maker is in this relationship. Firing a man that has given so much to the various communities of Columbus would cause riots on Lane Avenue. The NCAA can ask our coach to step down, but no way can this upstanding university afford to lose a Scarlet-blooded, Cleveland-born Buckeye like Jim Tressel.
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Ugggg! Ohio State football does nothing more than keep the athletic department in the black. It's a tiny drop in the bucket compared to what Ohio State brings in in research funding and private donations, both of which could be jeapordized by the notion of a rogue football program.

Had Gee made the decision to whack JTN, the university would have been just fine. Some football only donors would have undoubtedly withheld their 1500 dollar buckeye club memberships next yeat, but that would have been the extent of the damage. Overall fundraising would be unaffected, and Gee would have had the full support of the board of trustees, the Ohio State Foundation board and Kasich.
 
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I think that one possible explanation is less prominent in this discussion than it should be. Coach Tressel is known for protecting his players, but more importantly for his loyalty to them and the institutions where he has coached. Just look at his gifts to YSU or his loyalty to Clarett.

His actions can be explained by protecting one of his players. A former player. A lawyer who played for him when he was an assistant at Ohio State.

Tressel must have realized pretty quickly that, in sharing information about an FBI investigation, a former player may have violated confidence in a silly and permanently traceable way that could have professional consequences for someone acting to protect Ohio State football. Perhaps he even knew that the former player had had difficulties in his domestic life.

How does someone who places such importance on loyalty respond in such a circumstance, when he knows that he possibly could be rewarding a former player's loyalty with a report that is likely to cost the player his livelihood? Isn't it consistent with his religious values to try to protect the former and current players but yet to not erase the message?
 
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Gatorubet;1887855; said:
Yeah Mike, but that was December. That does not bail Tress out for April to December, and more particularly September. And if there was an FBI reason they would have informed the NCAA back in December when the eligibility thing was bargained. There was no reason to sanction Tress now. There is no logical reason for the FBI or Justice to care if you talk about guys selling tats for stuff unless it involves drugs. And even Tress says you were not involved with that. So you want me to believe that the FBI is orchestrating a silence cover up over a matter in which the players have no involvement. So...no. I do not accept that.
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Gator, you completely failed to understand what I was saying. I was saying that other than Tressel (as far as we know, at least), no one else at tOSU knew anything about what was going on. It seemed that you were saying you forgot/didn't know how it went down in December, and that's what I was filling you in on.

And you don't accept what I was saying about what they did/did not tell the school? The statement that I made at the end of my post sound a lot like how Gene Smith described how they were notified of the memorabilia issue in December. The facts that I laid out in the first part of my post are exactly what has been reported. Feds found the memorabilia in a raid/raids, Rife claimed they were sold/exchanged to him by the Buckeyes in question.
 
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scarletmike;1887905; said:
Gator, you completely failed to understand what I was saying. I was saying that other than Tressel (as far as we know, at least), no one else at tOSU knew anything about what was going on. It seemed that you were saying you forgot/didn't know how it went down in December, and that's what I was filling you in on.

And you don't accept what I was saying about what they did/did not tell the school? The statement that I made at the end of my post sound a lot like how Gene Smith described how they were notified of the memorabilia issue in December. The facts that I laid out in the first part of my post are exactly what has been reported. Feds found the memorabilia in a raid/raids, Rife claimed they were sold/exchanged to him by the Buckeyes in question.
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I did. I'm dim like that sometimes.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1887873; said:
Ugggg! Ohio State football does nothing more than keep the athletic department in the black. It's a tiny drop in the bucket compared to what Ohio State brings in in research funding and private donations, both of which could be jeapordized by the notion of a rogue football program.

Had Gee made the decision to whack JTN, the university would have been just fine. Some football only donors would have undoubtedly withheld their 1500 dollar buckeye club memberships next yeat, but that would have been the extent of the damage. Overall fundraising would be unaffected, and Gee would have had the full support of the board of trustees, the Ohio State Foundation board and Kasich.
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I live in a country where college sports are not really something that people follow. Never, ever discount the value of college sports in keeping alumni connected to a university. When those folks thank the University for all that funding that brings top professors and research funds to Ohio State, they better tip their hats to the Shoe.
 
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Steve19;1887918; said:
I live in a country where college sports are not really something that people follow. Never, ever discount the value of college sports in keeping alumni connected to a university. When those folks thank the University for all that funding that brings top professors and research funds to Ohio State, they better tip their hats to the Shoe.
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I still disagree. I've never seen a study linking a top football program with academic fundraising. To my knowledge, the studies have all refuted any positive link between the two. I agree that football helps some alumni maintain an emotional attachment to the university. I just don't think that translates at all into anything beyond football fundraising, which is a tiny percentage sine overall athletic donations to Ohio State are usually in the 6-8 percent of total donations range. Regardless of football success, the whales are still going to make their eight figure donations to academic colleges and departments as are the lower level President's Club donors. If anything, a rogue program or coach is going to alienate these donors.

To follow your analogy to it's logical conclusion, one would expect peer universities with middling athletic programs to significantly lag Ohio State in fundraising, alumni giving rates and endowment, yet schools such as Washington, Illinois and Minnesota are all equal to Ohio State by each of these measures. Neither Michigan's nor Indiana's private fundraising has been negatively effected by the sharp decline in each of their signature sports, and both exceeded Ohio State's haul last year.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1888095; said:
I still disagree. I've never seen a study linking a top football program with academic fundraising. To my knowledge, the studies have all refuted any positive link between the two. I agree that football helps some alumni maintain an emotional attachment to the university. I just don't think that translates at all into anything beyond football fundraising, which is a tiny percentage sine overall athletic donations to Ohio State are usually in the 6-8 percent of total donations range. Regardless of football success, the whales are still going to make their eight figure donations to academic colleges and departments as are the lower level President's Club donors. If anything, a rogue program or coach is going to alienate these donors.

To follow your analogy to it's logical conclusion, one would expect peer universities with middling athletic programs to significantly lag Ohio State in fundraising, alumni giving rates and endowment, yet schools such as Washington, Illinois and Minnesota are all equal to Ohio State by each of these measures. Neither Michigan's nor Indiana's private fundraising has been negatively effected by the sharp decline in each of their signature sports, and both exceeded Ohio State's haul last year.
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Not my point, ORD. Sorry, let me be more specific. College sports (not just football) keep alumni connected to universities. The programs just have to be respectable, not be winning titles. Those connections present opportunities for universities to seek funding for academic programs. Granted, there are a few universities outside the Ivy League that do not have good sports programs (e.g., Washington University of St Louis, Emory, Rockefeller University) but have large endowments. There are some universities with well-known sports traditions but modest endowments. However, those schools typically have reasons why alumni might not want to be associated with them (e.g., Thug U).

My point is that college sports provide that opportunity for connection that might not otherwise be there. I've seen OSU fundraisers using sports opportunities to work some big name alumni over the years, as well!
 
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Lawyer says he's received death threats

The Columbus lawyer who sent e-mails to Ohio State coach Jim Tressel last April about players selling memorabilia said he gave Tressel the names of two players -- starting quarterback Terrelle Pryor and receiver DeVier Posey -- in an interview with ESPN's "Outside the Lines."
Christopher Cicero, a walk-on player for the Buckeyes in the early 1980s, said in his first interview that it has been a stressful time since his name and e-mails to Tressel were revealed.
A fan of the Buckeyes' program, Cicero said he doesn't want to be considered the "Judas" in the controversy, and added he has received some death threats in the past few days.

Entire article: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6206052

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bassbuckeye07;1888250; said:
My mom got her staff ticket order form for next year about 45 days early...im hoping thats not because the athletic office anticipates the hammer.... can someone in the know expound on this?
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well this portion from the article doesn't look good. Tressel also lied to the athletic department, before being confronted with the evidence.

In addition, Outside the Lines has learned from a source close to the investigation that Ohio State officials only became aware of the e-mail exchanges between Tressel and Cicero on Jan. 13, when university employees were conducting a search of internal communications relating to the expansion of the Big Ten. That search was being conducted as part of a separate public records request, the source said.
Only when confronted with information that university officials were aware of the presence of the e-mails between Tressel and Cicero did Tressel admit to receiving them, according to the source.
According to a self-report letter sent from Ohio State to the NCAA on March 8, Tressel, when confronted Dec. 16, 2010 about the sale of the memorabilia, told university officials he'd heard only "general rumors" about the players' involvement and that he'd received a "tip" related to the allegations. According to the same letter, Tressel told university officials he could not recall the source of the "tip."
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