Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[BuckShot63]

Here's a question. After all the smoke clears, the NCAA finds out that Tressel indeed withheld the information because of an FBI investigation and was told by both the FBI and OSU legal to not say anything; can/will the NCAA give any punishment out?

Not saying this is true, or will happen. Just a general question, because i honestly don't know the answer. IMO, the FBI > NCAA in a situation like this, and i would much rather be in trouble with the NCAA then the FBI.

Yes, because there is no defense of "emergency" or "necessity" to the NCAA's rules. I believe the reason that the proposed penalty is seemingly light is because fairly overwhelming mitigation exists. I don't believe that a former member of the NCAA's committee on infractions, two NCAA investigators, and an outstanding consulting firm are going to prepare a report and propose sanctions that are far off the mark. They may not have totally hit the bullseye, but I believe that they are close. This also leads me to believe that vacating wins isn't even on the table. It's one thing to mis-gauge the degree of penalty, I'd be floored if they mis-gauged the kind of penalty.

 

[Jaxbuck]

That theory has more holes than believing that Tress did not tell because the real Crown Princess Anastasia asked him not to - because she was dating one of the drug sellers, and did not want her penthouse in Atlantis or her alien abduction anal probe experience revealed because of her advanced age - and so Tress complied.

I mean, I can think that, because there is as much support for my theory as for yours.

And I am currently handling several cases concerning on-going Federal criminal investigations (that also involve civil matters separate from the criminal matters), have spoken with the FBI and Justice on them all, and have never been approached with anything remotely like what you are suggesting: that the Ohio State University needed to go along with and refuse to report the tat-gate stuff to compliance, which would lead to a major NCAA violation, and that they would agree to that, even though it would result in the humiliation and (depending on whose fanbase you talk to) disgrace of a beloved and iconic head coach, ALL because the FBI suggested that "they can't talk about it now" for privacy reasons....in a time period from April of 2010 and up to and including - now!

Yeah, because nothing says "Hush, private - don't draw attention" like having every sports fan and investigative sports journalist in America want to know every aspect of the f-in drug deal you say they want to keep quiet.

Got it.

Dude.

Aliens come from Uranus, they don't need to probe it.

Fucking lawyers.

 

[CHU]

Did Bruce Hooley get reprimanded and/or dismissed for something he said on the situation? I refuse to listen to his show (unless Spielman is there).

I know he (Hooley) has a problem with Jim Tressel (which seems to date back for years).

 

[BayBuck]

Did Bruce Hooley get reprimanded and/or dismissed for something he said on the situation? I refuse to listen to his show (unless Spielman is there).

I know he (Hooley) has a problem with Jim Tressel (which seems to date back for years).

Hooley spent part of his show yesterday "apologizing if you felt that way" about things he'd said that may have seemed to come from a place of anger the day before. It was interesting to me that he claimed NOT to have called for Tressel's job, and yet on Wednesday it sure sounded to me like he was calling for Tressel's job.

He also denied repeatedly that he has a personal issue with JT, but I think anyone who's listened to Hooley over the years knows he has long had personal issues with JT. He's the local Cowherd: comes in totally unprepared/unscripted (as he described yesterday), speaks from the gut and works himself up to idiotic conclusions, is wrong about almost all of his repetitive points.

 

[WolverineMike]

Did Bruce Hooley get reprimanded and/or dismissed for something he said on the situation? I refuse to listen to his show (unless Spielman is there).

I know he (Hooley) has a problem with Jim Tressel (which seems to date back for years).

if he did, then that's just sad. the guy should be able to speak his mind about the situation, whether he's a local host or not.

 

[alexhortdog95]

This is an uncommonly charitable post. I agree with it, but coming from a fan of another program, it's quite unusual.

Man, you have my admiration. Plus you'll probably get some extra vBucks to bet with, so it's probably a win-win.

LOL - no probs. I think that schools in the Big TEN conference represent what is good in college football, especially when it comes to the tradition. tOSU is no exception.

 

[OSUScoonie12]

Yes, because there is no defense of "emergency" or "necessity" to the NCAA's rules. I believe the reason that the proposed penalty is seemingly light is because fairly overwhelming mitigation exists. I don't believe that a former member of the NCAA's committee on infractions, two NCAA investigators, and an outstanding consulting firm are going to prepare a report and propose sanctions that are far off the mark. They may not have totally hit the bullseye, but I believe that they are close. This also leads me to believe that vacating wins isn't even on the table. It's one thing to mis-gauge the degree of penalty, I'd be floored if they mis-gauged the kind of penalty.

So the NCAA doesn't care about the FBI? I feel like if you are holding up a confidentiality rule with an FBI investigation you kinda get a "get out of jail free" card. I know that is not true at all, but to me an FBI investigation and confidentiality should come first...even before the mighty NCAA. *gasp*

 

[BuckShot63]

So the NCAA doesn't care about the FBI? I feel like if you are holding up a confidentiality rule with an FBI investigation you kinda get a "get out of jail free" card. I know that is not true at all, but to me an FBI investigation and confidentiality should come first...even before the mighty NCAA. *gasp*

Certainly seems unfair should it be true. However, there is likely no scenario under which Coach Tressel did not violate NCAA Bylaw 10.1 and there is no exception for "emergency" or "necessity". I believe that Coach may have had to choose between "bad" and "worse" and he chose "bad". I also believe that reflected in the proposed penalty is the fact that Coach Tressel faced this version of a "Hobson's choice".

 

[CHU]

Hooley spent part of his show yesterday "apologizing if you felt that way" about things he'd said that may have seemed to come from a place of anger the day before. It was interesting to me that he claimed NOT to have called for Tressel's job, and yet on Wednesday it sure sounded to me like he was calling for Tressel's job.

He also denied repeatedly that he has a personal issue with JT, but I think anyone who's listened to Hooley over the years knows he has long had personal issues with JT. He's the local Cowherd: comes in totally unprepared/unscripted (as he described yesterday), speaks from the gut and works himself up to idiotic conclusions, is wrong about almost all of his repetitive points.

Thank you.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Hooley spent part of his show yesterday "apologizing if you felt that way" about things he'd said that may have seemed to come from a place of anger the day before. It was interesting to me that he claimed NOT to have called for Tressel's job, and yet on Wednesday it sure sounded to me like he was calling for Tressel's job.

He also denied repeatedly that he has a personal issue with JT, but I think anyone who's listened to Hooley over the years knows he has long had personal issues with JT. He's the local Cowherd: comes in totally unprepared/unscripted (as he described yesterday), speaks from the gut and works himself up to idiotic conclusions, is wrong about almost all of his repetitive points.

He better get his family to Nashville stat!

 

[BayBuck]

He better get his family to Nashville stat!

Bruce hasn't been the same since Herbie left the Big Show: he's just not cut out to be a leading man.

 

[alexhortdog95]

He better get his family to Nashville stat!

You know what? You just brought up a question for me.

As a fan of another school, what's the deal with Herbstreit? Why is he so despised in Ohio?

I'm not fond of the guy either. He's the same guy who thinks that the 2001 Miami team could easily handle the 1995 Huskers (who are regarded by most as the most dominant NC team ever). His arguement? "Did Nebraska even throw the ball?"

Lee Corso followed that one up with, "Did they have to?"

LOL - please educate me, folks. What's the dealie with Herbie?

 

[buckandguinfan]

if he did, then that's just sad. the guy should be able to speak his mind about the situation, whether he's a local host or not.

True, it's a free country, but that's not really the point. He's entitled to his opinion and certainly free to express it over the air, and he shouldn't be canned because he's harsh on Tressel. JT is not above criticism and he wasn't before this happened, but there's a difference between deserved and blunt criticism, and vitriolic dislike (I think hatred would be a bit strong a word in this case). He should also be wise enough to know his audience as a whole, especially being a local guy. I understand that his job is to stir a little controversy to light up the phone lines (and sell advertising), but he should be reasonable and sensible.

I liken it to political talk radio/TV. You know who the hosts are and their positions, so you know what you're going to get when you tune in. With someone like Hooley, while opinionated in an opinion-based format, he seems to misrepresent his position as being somewhat unbiased on JT, based on his words through the years. If he came out and said he was never a fan of JT, then people can understand his position and take his words as gospel or dismiss them altogether, pretty much like what folks do with the ESPiN crowd.

Similar to this is Jason Lloyd of the Akron-Beacon Journal. I don't read his column so I don't know what his angle is, but I can tell you from hearing him interviewed once yesterday that he clearly dislikes Tressel. If he's truly a "reporter" why can't he just state facts and give some fair commentary without the venom spewing. Also, I just don't know what these guys have against him, especially when there are even Michigan fans that sorry to see this happen.

Sorry for the rant, but I get a little tired of these guys (the media, not you) and it's only just begun. Being one of the "I stand by JT" crowd as the evidence stands it's difficult to put up a good defense of his actions, so I guess I'm just bracing for the storm.

 

[Jaxbuck]

You know what? You just brought up a question for me.

As a fan of another school, what's the deal with Herbstreit? Why is he so despised in Ohio?

I'm not fond of the guy either. He's the same guy who thinks that the 2001 Miami team could easily handle the 1995 Huskers (who are regarded by most as the most dominant NC team ever). His arguement? "Did Nebraska even throw the ball?"

Lee Corso followed that one up with, "Did they have to?"

LOL - please educate me, folks. What's the dealie with Herbie?

Grab your popcorn and go check out the Herbstreit thread.

I can't possibly do it all justice here.

 

[alexhortdog95]

Grab your popcorn and go check out the Herbstreit thread.
I can't possibly do it all justice here.

Okay, now I'm even more confused, LOL.

I see quotes like this:

Anyone who doubts where Herbies sympathies lie, need only look at the immediate reaction in his face on the GameDay wrap-up after the game. When the team began to discuss who was the best team in football and the comment "well, okay, other than Ohio State, that's a no-brainer" was made, Herbie looked like a five-year-old opening Christmas presents. He regained his composure almost immediately but that initial reaction showed how deeply he feels about Ohio State.

Then I see quotes like this:

There isn't a man alive who actually fears for his family's safety that is going to tweet where he's moving them to.
Herbies a [censored]ing drama queen.

ROFLMAO

Forget I asked, LOL