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Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

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BB73;2069159; said:
Ohio State self-reported the JT emails in January, when a staffer found them while working on a FOI request on an unrelated matter; although the big story didn't come out until Yahoo reported it in early March. But Yahoo didn't find the violations, they just caught wind of the investigation and reported it.
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I know it was self-reported...but it was the media that fanned the flames. I know it is a two-way street, but I wish the sensationalism was left at home.
 
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BB73;2069122; said:
Gene Smith thought there would be no bowl ban. Since there was no LOIC, most Buckeye fans thought the same thing - all of the other aspects of the sanctions were no surprise, expect for Tressel getting 5 years instead of a 3-year 'show cause' order - but that doesn't affect tOSU.
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May 20 - The enforcement staff and institution conducted an interview with student-athlete 5,
unrelated to employment or to the representative. The staff requested student-athlete 5's bank
records, a portion of which were provided 10 days later and included payments from a company
owned and operated by the representative's family.

June 6 - The enforcement staff and institution requested to interview student-athlete 5 and for
him to produce the remaining requested records. Student-athlete 5 refused to cooperate.

June 7 - Student-athlete 5 withdrew from the institution and declared for the NFL supplemental
draft.
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Well, it may not be "fair", but it is a common practice for a judge to give a stiffer sentence to an offender when the judge thinks that offender may have done something else - or worse - than the charge for which they were found guilty.

Now, this is not a criminal matter, obviously, but the fact remains that juries and judges are human. If they thought that violations occurred that they could not uncover because of the no-subpoena power limitation, then they may (and I mean may) have done what judges often do - give a sentence that is on the "high" end of the possible range because of some thoughts they had that the offender they were sentencing was getting away with something.

To be sure, they should NOT do that to an extreme. They should only judge the merits of the evidence in the case directly before them. To do otherwise is unfair, and literally penalizing you for things you have not done (or have not been proven in any event). But I have to say that human nature is still in play - and that I have seen this occur again and again in action in real life adjudications. I don't think you can rule out some kind of "high end of the scale" result because of that situation.

I wish you could drop this bowl. I have a bad feeling about your guys finding some extra motivation for the juniors now that you did not have before.
 
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If there's one thing we need, it's another splash of harsh reality (allegedly) with a side of a rebuttal for coping mechanisms. Thanks. :so:

Maybe we can review point by point all the things Pryor was accused of doing. That would be awesome.
 
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It explains why Gene could have been wrong about the bowl game. It makes a Hell of a lot more sense to me than some claim of insufficient Google searches of NCAA precedence. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you've retained a firm with a specialization in NCAA enforcement/penalty matters. Trust me, they researched the shit out of every case since Jim Thorpe played at Carlisle. They billed you for it too. That explanation seems - to me - to explain the disconnect. Call it a "pissed off" factor if you like. All I can say is that I have seen it in action.
 
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WOW where do I start on this one. Oh yeah Censored censored censored censored MARK FRIGGIN MAY eSECpn And the censored ncaa.

Now that I got that out. Does this suck a fat one???? YEP

Did we all truly in our minds and nightmares know this may happen? YEP

Do we all think Gene needs to get the hell out? YEP

Do we also know that we are The Ohio State University and this sure as hell isnt going to stop a dag gone thing with Urban friggin Meyer leading the way that we will be the most talked about team on ESPN for being in the positition to win the B1GC and possible would have been in the national championship talks BUT. Unfortunately HELL YEP.

Ohio State will be just fine. But I do say we got shafted and the release of the punishment coming after we accepted to go play in a truly meaningless bowl game is about shotty as hell. Then in that case why all of a sudden was there this big push by them to hurry up and hand this down now????? I had read it was supposed to be in Feb some time. Oh thats right thats after NLOID and they apparently didnt like the hey Meyer was making in recruiting and thought this would slow the dominance down possibly. NOPE to bad so sorry wont change a thing slappys. :oh: :pissed:
 
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Gatorubet;2069185; said:
It explains why Gene could have been wrong about the bowl game. It makes a Hell of a lot more sense to me than some claim of insufficient Google searches of NCAA precedence. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you've retained a firm with a specialization in NCAA enforcement/penalty matters. Trust me, they researched the shit out of every case since Jim Thorpe played at Carlisle. They billed you for it too. That explanation seems - to me - to explain the disconnect. Call it a "pissed off" factor if you like. All I can say is that I have seen it in action.
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You're assuming Gene Smith can be taken at his word. I have no idea why, other than a launching pad for a lengthy discussion.

Unionfutura posted previously that their research firm recommended six scholarships and a postseason ban, which OSU chose not to follow.
 
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Gatorubet;2069169; said:
Well, it may not be "fair", but it is a common practice for a judge to give a stiffer sentence to an offender when the judge thinks that offender may have done something else - or worse - than the charge for which they were found guilty.
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In a nutshell, this is what happened to USC. Primarily because all the shit that came out, came out with a recalcitrant athletic department and a private university that could thumb its nose at information requests, not being subject to FOIA.
 
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SmoovP;2069192; said:
I don't think this has been posted, but I only skimmed the last 20 or so pages since the ruling came out.

Dr. Saturday with what strikes me as a very fair assessment of the situation.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footba...it-from-the-NCAA-but-dodges?urn=ncaaf-wp11775

It's worth a read.
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Good read Smoov, if only a *tad* biased with quotes like this:

Cleveland-area businessman Bob DiGeronimo, who allegedly funneled $14,000 to several players via direct cash payments and inflated paychecks for offseason jobs at a car wash.
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When you put it like that, it makes it sound like some high stakes heist involving lasers and impenetrable glass cases. C'mon now, he paid them a few bucks extra an hour to work at a car wash. Not to mention the fact that he seems to think that just since one player was involved at USC compared to nine at tOSU, that what happened here was automatically worse. The long list of violations at USC speaks for itself, in my IMO.

But the real reason I enjoyed the article was this gem from the comments:

ohio state blows , the big ten blows, southeast is the best, they dont play nobody real, just like when ohio state came to play the gators they got there @#$% ripped up.
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Us buckeyes we don't play no one real!
 
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DiaBuckeye;2069201; said:
Good read Smoov, if only a *tad* biased with quotes like this:

When you put it like that, it makes it sound like some high stakes heist involving lasers and impenetrable glass cases. C'mon now, he paid them a few bucks extra an hour to work at a car wash. Not to mention the fact that he seems to think that just since one player was involved at USC compared to nine at tOSU, that what happened here was automatically worse. The long list of violations at USC speaks for itself, in my IMO.

But the real reason I enjoyed the article was this gem from the comments:

Us buckeyes we don't play no one real!
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"Funnled". :rofl: I can't stop laughing at his use of that word. Like it was all done thru illegal wire transfers to Boom's account in the Caymans. Posey was strictly Swiss banks all the way.

Haters gonna hate.

Even if a few recruits jump ship or decide to not attend...oh...fuckin'...well. Urbie isn't going anywhere. IT's still a wrap.
 
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