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[ScriptOhio]

Sorry to all who feel the NCAA is mucking us around, but the best way to keep NCAA foot dragging from impacting your plans is to keep your program in good order or just make sure ESPN has your conference TV contract.

FIFY

 

[BB73]

Didn't most of Boise's transgressions come in other sports though? Hard to give the football team a bowl ban over professionals coming in to play on their tennis team. I personally don't see a bowl ban for osu, but probably some more scholarship losses. All in all, you get Urban Meyer, had to suffer through one mediocre season out of a decade. I'd say you win in the end.

Their worst violations were in non-football sports like tennis. But I don't recall any allegation of having professionals - just a non-student that practiced with the team and actually participated in a tournament on campus that was an NCAA event.

 

[WolverineMike]

Their worst violations were in non-football sports like tennis. But I don't recall any allegation of having professionals - just a non-student that practiced with the team and actually participated in a tournament on campus that was an NCAA event.

I see. Not sure where I got that pro tennis thing.

 

[MaxBuck]

Boise's "lack of institutional control" consisted of a bunch of student-athletes who improperly used the NCAA's secret handshake.

I got a lot of disregard for Boise's football program in many ways, but the school getting LOIC was beyond absurd. Shit like having recruits sleep in dorm rooms with active players was cited - give me a break.

 

[buxfan4life]

Boise's "lack of institutional control" consisted of a bunch of student-athletes who improperly used the NCAA's secret handshake.

I got a lot of disregard for Boise's football program in many ways, but the school getting LOIC was beyond absurd. Shit like having recruits sleep in dorm rooms with active players was cited - give me a break.

It has been said before, but the football transgressions were not the cause of the LOIC. The fact there were both "minor" and "major" violations in more than one sport was the cause of that. If it were just the football team stuff, they would have been slapped on the wrist and told not to do it again with no real penalties, IMO.

 

[MaxBuck]

It has been said before, but the football transgressions were not the cause of the LOIC. The fact there were both "minor" and "major" violations in more than one sport was the cause of that. If it were just the football team stuff, they would have been slapped on the wrist and told not to do it again with no real penalties, IMO.

The "transgressions" of the other programs are what I was talking about. The one serious goof was the premature participation of an athlete in (I believe) tennis, and the tennis program deserved to be slammed. The rest of the violations throughout the athletic department were basically paperwork errors and, as I said, essentially meaningless stuff.

 

[buxfan4life]

The "transgressions" of the other programs are what I was talking about. The one serious goof was the premature participation of an athlete in (I believe) tennis, and the tennis program deserved to be slammed. The rest of the violations throughout the athletic department were basically paperwork errors and, as I said, essentially meaningless stuff.

I think because it was not just one program, but across a few is why there is the LOIC. If you look at UNC, Ohio State, Miami etc., those were all just one program and the FTM is reasonable in each case. USC got hit with LOIC because it was across multiple programs, not just the football program.

All in all, each of the infractions themselves I agree are trivial, and in some cases and laughable (i.e. the incoming players crashing with teammates during spring/summer workouts. I mean, c'mon man!), but it did happen all during the same time under the same AD across mutiple programs, therefore the NCAA sees it as LOIC.


Or I could be way off base and the NCAA just doesn't like Boise State. :p

 

[MaxBuck]

Or I could be way off base and the NCAA just doesn't like Boise State. :p

I'm sure you remember the old joke: "You heard they just found out there were a bunch of NCAA violations in the Kentucky basketball program. The NCAA is so pissed off, they're planning on giving Murray State the death penalty."

 

[BB73]

The "transgressions" of the other programs are what I was talking about. The one serious goof was the premature participation of an athlete in (I believe) tennis, and the tennis program deserved to be slammed. The rest of the violations throughout the athletic department were basically paperwork errors and, as I said, essentially meaningless stuff.

I guess that statement is accurate, if one doesn't consider these things to be a "serious goof", and merely "paperwork errors" and "essentially meaningless stuff":

- A coach personally paying $300 for airfare for a trip that wasn't an official visit, making it an impermissible benefit

- A coach paying $1500 and $2000 (cash and/or checks) for a prospective tennis player to take summer and fall courses of the Intensive English Programs, since the recruit needed to pass a Test of English as a Foreign Language (TOEFL) before being eligible

- A coach paying for impermissible travel and a hotel stay

- coaches in several sports, men's and women's track and cross-country, men's and women's tennis, and football providing impermissible transportation, food, and housing to people that weren't Boise State students (yet)

- coaches in tennis, track, and cross-country allowing incoming recruits to practice with the team before being students

- allowing a women's tennis player to participate for an extra year after her eligibility had expired (this might be where W-Mike got the Pro tennis player thought)

- A coach not being forthcoming with information when questioned by the NCAA

But to me, having coaches directly pay recruits for things like airfare, hotel stays and course tuition, and then having a coach not come clean when confronted by the NCAA, along with all of the stuff that's considered rinky-dink (football players sleeping on the floor at somebody's apartment for a few weeks); that all adds up to LOIC as an institution.

 

[AKAK]

adds up to LOIC as an institution.

In my IMHO, I agree.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I hate the truck drivers as much as anyone, but I think they escaped a bowl ban because the most egregious violations were in programs other than football. The football violations were fairly minor but part of a larger, systemic problem in the ad.

Moe Green has a better chance of firing Fredo than we do of avoiding a bowl ban.

Didn't most of Boise's transgressions come in other sports though? Hard to give the football team a bowl ban over professionals coming in to play on their tennis team. I personally don't see a bowl ban for osu, but probably some more scholarship losses. All in all, you get Urban Meyer, had to suffer through one mediocre season out of a decade. I'd say you win in the end.

Plagiarize much?

 

[OSU_D/]

Sorry to all who feel the NCAA is mucking us around, but the best way to keep NCAA foot dragging from impacting your plans is to keep your program in good order.

Dead on.... especially considering OSU kept finding more violations and kept having to add suspensions.

 

[Bestbuck36]

Dead on.... especially considering OSU kept finding more violations and kept having to add suspensions.

And this is where we differ from most everyone else. We are actually trying to find things ourselves and police the infractions whereas other people are hiding things continuously or flat out lying. Yes, our coach kept things under wraps where he should have reported them but the infractions he was hiding were pretty minor; not like hookers and blow or raping and stealing.

I'm with everyone else though, just get this crap over with and lets move on. Even felons get to have their day in court faster than this.

 

[WolverineMike]

Plagiarize much?

Totally written in my own words :)

 

[CHU]

I have yet to see any confirmation, but the proposed conference call between Ohio State and the NCAA was supposed to be today (Nov. 27).

Has it been leaked and/or confirmed the NCAA agreed to the call rather than the meeting in Florida Dec. 10?