Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Bobby is Evan Turner?

 

[BUCKDUBBS007]

Sooooooo................................ Yes?

 

[Onebuckfan]

There was a failure all around in the Admin. but the athletes have to take responsibility too. after all the penalties and sanctions come down..whoever is coach must recruit athletes who understand the rules and have the character to abide by them even if the rules are unclear and stupid..with the help of the University..

 

[OH10]

I just don't understand what could possibly take the NCAA so long at this point. The options are limited: 1) Probation; 2) Postseason ban; 3) Scholarship reductions. It shouldn't take months to reach a consensus about what the punishment should be.

The individuals who made the mistakes have all been punished:

1. Terrelle Pryor: basically kicked out of school.

2. The Tat 5: suspended for 5 games.

3. Howard, Hall and Brown: suspended for 2 games.

4. Boom and Posey: suspended additional games, the latter a total of 10 games in his senior season.

5. Tressel: Fired (basically) and shamed on the way out.

6. DiGeronimo: disassociated with Ohio State, the product of an apparently unhealthy obsession on his part.

7. Ed Rife: prison.

8. Chris Cicero: soon to be hammered by the Ohio Supreme Court.

9. Gene Smith: most likely to be out of a job, not due to any intentional act on his part, but due mainly to an inability to control a public relations disaster.

So who will be left at Ohio State to blame? Nobody. The only people that will be punished going forward are fans, players, and coaches that had absolutely nothing to do with the violations that happened in the first place. Ohio State will have cleaned house. All of the individuals responsible will have been appropriately punished. And yet the NCAA will still feel the need to determine institutional punishments that have the trickle down effect of hurting people that didn't do anything wrong.

I understand why the individual punishments weren't good enough for the USC case. But here, all of the individuals who fucked up are being held accountable. Why is it necessary to punish innocent parties?

 

[BUCKDUBBS007]

Because ESPiN says it is ok to do so.

 

[Mike80]

Probably should've added a self-imposed post season ban to the scholarships. We will be bowl eligible this weekend and looking at next season, I'd rather lose this years bowl vs a possible BCS bowl next season, not to mention the other issues with recruiting, coaching etc.

Obviously I'd rather not see a post season ban but the heads in this situation have been garbage the entire time. Smith, Gee and whomever else has been involved in the decision making need to hit the bricks.

They are already bowl-eligible FWIW....

 

[Mike80]

I just don't understand what could possibly take the NCAA so long at this point. The options are limited: 1) Probation; 2) Postseason ban; 3) Scholarship reductions. It shouldn't take months to reach a consensus about what the punishment should be.

The individuals who made the mistakes have all been punished:

1. Terrelle Pryor: basically kicked out of school.

2. The Tat 5: suspended for 5 games.

3. Howard, Hall and Brown: suspended for 2 games.

4. Boom and Posey: suspended additional games, the latter a total of 10 games in his senior season.

5. Tressel: Fired (basically) and shamed on the way out.

6. DiGeronimo: disassociated with Ohio State, the product of an apparently unhealthy obsession on his part.

7. Ed Rife: prison.

8. Chris Cicero: soon to be hammered by the Ohio Supreme Court.

9. Gene Smith: most likely to be out of a job, not due to any intentional act on his part, but due mainly to an inability to control a public relations disaster.

So who will be left at Ohio State to blame? Nobody. The only people that will be punished going forward are fans, players, and coaches that had absolutely nothing to do with the violations that happened in the first place. Ohio State will have cleaned house. All of the individuals responsible will have been appropriately punished. And yet the NCAA will still feel the need to determine institutional punishments that have the trickle down effect of hurting people that didn't do anything wrong.

I understand why the individual punishments weren't good enough for the USC case. But here, all of the individuals who fucked up are being held accountable. Why is it necessary to punish innocent parties?

The wheels of any governmental-type body move very slowly.

As for who is being punished, the NCAA doesn't care about the fans or who is suffering, they punish the institutions and members within those institutions. Everything else is collateral damage.

 

[Mac]

Is this FTM charge given because of Bobby G and Tat5? Or was it coming because of Tat5 before the Bobby G stuff?

 

[MaxBuck]

What a complete piece of [Mark May] Bobby D is. You gave the improper benefits asshole! YOU ARE THE VILLIAN!

I really don't think this is a very accurate picture of Mr. DiGeronimo. What he did may have been a literal violation of NCAA rules, but from everything I know he had the best interests of the young men at heart, and did nothing morally wrong.

It [censored]es me off that the NCAA damages both athletes and well-meaning people outside the program in their overweening approach to maintaining "amateurism." While allowing universities (specifically highly-paid coaches and ADs) to profit enormously off the performance of said amateurs.

Shameful.

 

[Taosman]

"I really don't think this is a very accurate picture of Mr. DiGeronimo. What he did may have been a literal violation of NCAA rules, but from everything I know he had the best interests of the young men at heart, and did nothing morally wrong."

Don't they all think that?

 

[BB73]

Is this FTM charge given because of Bobby G and Tat5? Or was it coming because of Tat5 before the Bobby G stuff?

From my post yesterday afternoon:

From reading the documents, the Failure to Monitor is because tOSU realized that there were issues with DiGeronimno as a booster a few years ago - they did some things to distance DiGeronimo from the program in 2005 and 2006.

But tOSU didn't take steps to make sure that players didn't attend the February, 2011 charity event without the compliance department's approval; and didn't make sure that anybody employed by DiGeronimo in the last couple of years had gotten approval and filled out the proper forms, etc.

 

[Taosman]

And given the lack of subpoena power by the NCAA, it would not surprise me if they sought to extend investigations to not only get closer to the facts but to add to the punishment.

 

[Mike80]

"I really don't think this is a very accurate picture of Mr. DiGeronimo. What he did may have been a literal violation of NCAA rules, but from everything I know he had the best interests of the young men at heart, and did nothing morally wrong."

Don't they all think that?

Blatantly ignoring the rules multiple times seems like a moral failure to me....

 

[matcar]

I really don't think this is a very accurate picture of Mr. DiGeronimo. What he did may have been a literal violation of NCAA rules, but from everything I know he had the best interests of the young men at heart, and did nothing morally wrong.

It [censored]es me off that the NCAA damages both athletes and well-meaning people outside the program in their overweening approach to maintaining "amateurism." While allowing universities (specifically highly-paid coaches and ADs) to profit enormously off the performance of said amateurs.

Shameful.

Somewhere I read that DiGeronimo hid in some closet so that he could listen to one of JTs talk with the team. If that's true, I have a hard time looking at this guy in a positive light.

 

[OH10]

I really don't think this is a very accurate picture of Mr. DiGeronimo. What he did may have been a literal violation of NCAA rules, but from everything I know he had the best interests of the young men at heart, and did nothing morally wrong.

Best interests? He cost several of them games this year. I would characterize his actions as (at best) selfish and (at worst) obsessive. He didn't make any type of positive impact on their lives. He simply wanted to be closer to them, closer to the program.

It's all about ego with these guys and you can see it clearly from his statement. He wanted to be more than just some fan of the program. He wanted to feel like he was a part of the program. Well, you are now asshole. The bad part of it.