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[muffler dragon]

Lawyer on Lawyer crime. I digs it! :p

 

[jlb1705]

I just went to the local cardboard heros. i couldn't find an Ohio State #47 jersey. I wonder why?

Because that number is retired?

BTW, that's the next way universities are going to get around this. The moment a court rules that universities have to start paying royalties to current players for replica jersey sales, the jerseys you find in stores will switch from current players' numbers to retired numbers only. I can't say I'm opposed to that kind of change.

Oh, and not everybody buys jerseys for because of the particular player that wore that number. I bought both my #17 (Boeckman) and #5 (Wiley) off the clearance rack after both players had left the program. Those are my favorite numbers (ya think?) and the ones I wore when I played sports. While I realize that they probably wouldn't have been available in the first place had a popular player not been wearing one of those numbers, I didn't give a hoot who the player was.

 

[Gatorubet]

You would have a good point if you were right. But, since you're wrong, I think I need to remind you that soliciting money from Miss. State made Cam Newton ineligible at every school. You will no doubt recall that even Auburn was nice enough to declare Newton ineligible for a few hours before the NCAA reinstated him. They did this because Newton was .... wait for it...
ineligible because of the rules violation (even though it was still a violation between Cecil and Miss. St.)

And... the SEC has rules too:
From the SEC bylaws:

"If at any time before or after matriculation in a member institution a student-athlete or any member of his/her family receives or agrees to receive, directly or indirectly, any aid or assistance beyond or in addition to that permitted by the Bylaws of this Conference (except such aid or assistance as such student-athlete may receive from those persons on whom the student is naturally or legally dependent for support), such student- athlete shall be ineligible for competition in any intercollegiate sport within the Conference for the remainder of his/her college career."​

The point, of course, is not to say "Auburn's worse!" or "Why does everyone pick on OSU when the SEC Cheats!" And I know you're sensative to these issues on these threads. But, the fact is the "I had no idea" defense should work just fine for the Parental dealing with car dealers and I stand by my post. It's not me yielding to hypocrisy. Again, I'm not simply saying "The SEC Cheats! See here's proof" I'm saying, "[censored] you, NCAA - you have stupid rules, you enforce them selectively, and might as well be a goddamned roulette wheel. You sure as [censored] aren't a legitimate governing body" if anything in that regard.

We had a big discussion (Josh and I if I recall - and Bill too) about the language you quote. I added the underlined part, and the short version is that there was no meeting of the minds as to Miss St. - as the Newton offer was not accepted, and there is (currently) no evidence of an Auburn offer or acceptance either. Had Cam enrolled after the Miss State offer I think acceptance could be found by ratification. That fact is not present in his enrolling at Auburn - again - at this time.

The hypocricy to which I referred was not you yielding to it - or anything else - but the hypocrisy NCAA treatment of the facts. IOW, I was accusing them of hypocrisy, not you. You are possibly a sexual predator of small farm animals, and likely a counterfeiter of grocery coupons - but not a hypocrite.

 

[Gatorubet]

You would have a good point if you were right. But, since you're wrong...

Says the undersigning violator.

 

[BB73]

We had a big discussion (Josh and I if I recall - and Bill too) about the language you quote. I added the underlined part, and the short version is that there was no meeting of the minds as to Miss St. - as the Newton offer was not accepted, and there is (currently) no evidence of an Auburn offer or acceptance either. Had Cam enrolled after the Miss State offer I think acceptance could be found by ratification. That fact is not present in his enrolling at Auburn - again - at this time.

The hypocricy to which I referred was not you yielding to it - or anything else - but the hypocrisy NCAA treatment of the facts. IOW, I was accusing them of hypocrisy, not you. You are possibly a sexual predator of small farm animals, and likely a counterfeiter of grocery coupons - but not a hypocrite.

I think the bylaws (for conferences and for the NCAA) should be modified to add wording like 'proposed by the player, a family member, or someone with a legal right to represent the player'.

I also believe that there is wording in another SEC bylaw that would have allowed Slive to suspend Newton, but he chose not to. I posted it back in November in the sCam Newton thread. The SEC may well have been sued by Auburn if he had done that, so allowing Newton to play in the hopes of another SEC BCS Title wasn't the only legitimate reason for him not to invoke that bylaw and suspend him. However, SEC Haters gonna hate.

But we're digressing. Hey, isn't it about time the feds finish up their lawsuits in Alabama and release incriminating tapes and other information about Auburn to the NCAA? It's much more fun talking about somebody else's dirty laundry.

 

[Gatorubet]

But we're digressing. Hey, isn't it about time the feds finish up their lawsuits in Alabama and release incriminating tapes and other information about Auburn to the NCAA? It's much more fun talking about somebody else's dirty laundry.

The tornadoes have seriously messed with the normal outflow of hate-each-other-and-tell-on-each-other stories in Alabama. Just another sad product of the disaster.

 

[BB73]

The tornadoes have seriously messed with the normal outflow of hate-each-other-and-tell-on-each-other stories in Alabama. Just another sad product of the disaster.

A nasty Tide fan poisons a couple of trees, and a litle later some tornadoes run through the Tide's back yard, and now Toomers for Tuscaloosa are sending water, food, clothes, etc. to folks in houndstooth hats.

What is the world coming to?

 

[BUCKYLE]

Because that number is retired?

BTW, that's the next way universities are going to get around this. The moment a court rules that universities have to start paying royalties to current players for replica jersey sales, the jerseys you find in stores will switch from current players' numbers to retired numbers only. I can't say I'm opposed to that kind of change.

Oh, and not everybody buys jerseys for because of the particular player that wore that number. I bought both my #17 (Boeckman) and #5 (Wiley) off the clearance rack after both players had left the program. Those are my favorite numbers (ya think?) and the ones I wore when I played sports. While I realize that they probably wouldn't have been available in the first place had a popular player not been wearing one of those numbers, I didn't give a hoot who the player was.

I believe you're thinking of #45, but I see your point.

 

[billmac91]

I think the bylaws (for conferences and for the NCAA) should be modified to add wording like 'proposed by the player, a family member, or someone with a legal right to represent the player'.

I also believe that there is wording in another SEC bylaw that would have allowed Slive to suspend Newton, but he chose not to. I posted it back in November in the sCam Newton thread. The SEC may well have been sued by Auburn if he had done that, so allowing Newton to play in the hopes of another SEC BCS Title wasn't the only legitimate reason for him not to invoke that bylaw and suspend him. However, SEC Haters gonna hate.

But we're digressing. Hey, isn't it about time the feds finish up their lawsuits in Alabama and release incriminating tapes and other information about Auburn to the NCAA? It's much more fun talking about somebody else's dirty laundry.

I don;t want to digress too much, but it still seems odd that Miss. St ended up telling the truth in regards to Cecil Newton asking for money, but I guess no one at the NCAA believed the university when they quoted Cam as saying "the money is too much" in regards to Auburn.

I understand the evidence isn't concrete in terms of that conversation, but I'm surprised the NCAA can't use that testimony against Cam when the Cecil information was proved accurate.

 

[jlb1705]

I believe you're thinking of #45, but I see your point.

#47, Chic Harley.

 

[jwinslow]

Because that number is retired?

BTW, that's the next way universities are going to get around this. The moment a court rules that universities have to start paying royalties to current players for replica jersey sales, the jerseys you find in stores will switch from current players' numbers to retired numbers only. I can't say I'm opposed to that kind of change.

Oh, and not everybody buys jerseys for because of the particular player that wore that number. I bought both my #17 (Boeckman) and #5 (Wiley) off the clearance rack after both players had left the program. Those are my favorite numbers (ya think?) and the ones I wore when I played sports. While I realize that they probably wouldn't have been available in the first place had a popular player not been wearing one of those numbers, I didn't give a hoot who the player was.

Yes, but you see his point. #36 is an iconic number, yet until another amateur becomes a star wearing that number, it will be on the clearance rack or not stocked at all.

As 27 says, it should be wrong for everyone, not just the players.

It would be better to honor former legends like Archie, Eddie, Hop and so forth with jersey sales, but salesmen know those won't sell nearly as well as jerseys worn by current amateurs, so they keep selling "anonymous" numbered jerseys.

The former player thing would remove the double standard, since Eddie can freely sell his own jersey and could even set up a business venture with OSU to market a line of his own uniforms if he wanted like Nike does now.

I believe you're thinking of #45, but I see your point.

#47 Chic Harley was retired a few years ago (when Rob Harley was on the team and injured)

 

[Gatorubet]

I don;t want to digress too much, but it still seems odd that Miss. St ended up telling the truth in regards to Cecil Newton asking for money, but I guess no one at the NCAA believed the university when they quoted Cam as saying "the money is too much" in regards to Auburn.

I understand the evidence isn't concrete in terms of that conversation, but I'm surprised the NCAA can't use that testimony against Cam when the Cecil information was proved accurate.

Clearly, the drive to Starksville costs more than Opelika, hence he was referring to Miss State..

 

[jlb1705]

It would be better to honor former legends like Archie, Eddie, Hop and so forth with jersey sales, but salesmen know those won't sell nearly as well as jerseys worn by current amateurs, so they keep selling "anonymous" numbered jerseys.

The former player thing would remove the double standard, since Eddie can freely sell his own jersey and could even set up a business venture with OSU to market a line of his own uniforms if he wanted like Nike does now.

They may not sell as briskly, but they'd sell well enough if that's all that's out there.

You probably can't stop the manufacturers out there that make the FUBU-lookin' knock-off jerseys that you get at Wal-Marts and gas stations from putting ones out there with non-retired numbers. But for partners like Champion, Nike, Adidas, etc. - the universities and their athletic departments have contracts and intellectual property rights that could make legitimate replicas of amateur jerseys go away for good if they wanted to.

I think that for the most part, people buy jerseys representing their favorite players because they can, because they're available. I think if push came to shove and there wasn't much of a choice out there people would still buy jerseys for the idea of having one.

Hell, if Ohio State really wanted to get out in front of this issue they could do it on their own. Cease amateur jersey sales and arrange for each player (or his estate) with a retired number to have royalties all the royalties donated on their behalf to the charity of their choice. If any future numbers are to be retired, only do so if the player agrees to that same arrangement so that it can't be construed as an inducement to future recruits. Then roll them out one-by-one and make a big deal out of their release. Us Ohio State fans will eat that shit right up.

 

[jwinslow]

They may not sell as briskly, but they'd sell well enough if that's all that's out there.

Not really. When they sell ten thousand #33 jerseys, those items will become obsolete quickly, compelling kids to ask for a new jersey in a few years, if not a year later.

If they sold classics, there's no need to replace a legend's jersey with another one. You could buy more if you wanted to switch it up, but it would still be the same tribute in 5-10 years, where the fresh #33 jersey from 08 is now an old jersey.

A better example of my replacement theory (for current amateur #s) would probably be a number like Robiskie or Boeckman, since those two aren't going to have many fans wearing them as a throwback (whereas some might with #33).

Archie Griffin hasn't been topped despite many elite backs in recent years. I'm not sure you can top the image and folklore of Spielman, even if Hawk was as good of a linebacker.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Archie Griffin hasn't been topped despite many elite backs in recent years. I'm not sure you can top the image and folklore of Spielman, even if Hawk was as good of a linebacker.

And let's not forget...let's not fucking forget...number nine: Johnny Utah. There's a goldmine out there in licensing Johnny Utah jerseys.