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Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

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KingLeon;1884900; said:
It would seemingly be pretty random to just make this up? But I guess without proof we are innocent in the eyes of the law...

My thought was that they weren't just making it up, but rather that they have a sketchy source who simply gave them his his word against JT's, and Yahoo decided to run with it for the quick hits. That's what I hope at least.

schultgb;1884905; said:
But then aren't they making the weight of their story depend on the quality of OSU's response? I find it hard to believe Yahoo is banking on a huge university botching its response to the allegations as opposed to breaking the story themselves with all of the evidence. If OSU responds and fills in the holes of the story, Yahoo's undisclosed evidence loses a lot of value. I doubt they would risk sitting on their evidence by gambling on OSU jacking its response up.

Running the story now got Yahoo a lot of hits, but running it with the evidence (as I believe they did with their other probes) would have been even bigger. I just have a hard time believing Yahoo has evidence but chose to wait and hope for OSU to botch the story to blow it up even bigger, at the risk of that evidence being revealed by other means (possibly even by OSU's response).

Exactly. they are a news organization, no? So report the news. Don't sit and wait and try to make things happen, or turn a story into something bigger on a hunch. I just don't see a huge company like Yahoo doing that...
 
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DiaBuckeye;1884903; said:
Good points. I dunno though, it just seems like billmac's point would be a shady thing to do for someone like Yahoo, and that in the end, teasing it like this seems pointless since, if they have proof, the story is quite huge enough.

Agreed on both accounts, the handling of the story has been odd, especially given Yahoo's track record. But their track record is also what worries me.
 
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dragurd;1884901; said:
They have been credible but saying we gave them 3 hours then acting like that was enough time for OSU to have review the article and release a response is weak at best underhanded deceitful at worst.

Unfortunately, my understanding is that this is about the norm in the profession. And you know - this is not asking for a response from Joe and Ed's bait shop. tOSU is a very sophisticated entity with PR professionals and other assets at its disposal. This is not a trial, and they do not have to be given equal time. Hell, most of the time you have a guy with a camera show up knocking on the door asking you pointed questions without giving you any notice. Investigative journalism. Everybody loves it except when it is your door they are knocking on. Three hours is certainly enough time to prepare some kind of statement saying you are waiting for the AD, the G-man and Tress to see the article and to say that a statement will be forthcoming.
 
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Let the rampant media speculation begin!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20.../07/tressel.yahoo.report/index.html?eref=sihp

Tressel report appears damaging

Revered Ohio State coach Woody Hayes' career abruptly ended with a punch. Is the Jim Tressel era about to end with a lie?
Probably not. Not yet, anyway. But the mere possibility that the Buckeyes' stately sweater wearer may have perpetrated unethical conduct in an NCAA investigation is as stunning a turn to his career -- one that may ultimately prove as damaging.
The latest Yahoo! Sports investigative bombshell Monday night claimed Ohio State's coach was made aware of his players selling memorabilia to a Columbus tattoo parlor owner eight months before the school claimed it learned about the transactions from law enforcement officials. Yahoo's report appears to be based on one anonymous source, but is stated as fact, which leads us to believe the school itself was already aware of Tressel's transgression and is in the midst of processing it. Now, it's a matter of finding out just how egregious it may be.

Mandel by himself managed to make a premature flying leap to every conclusion that it has taken an entire community of posters here all evening to come up with.
 
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FWIW, interesting comment over on Eleven Warriors: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2011/03/yahoo-source-jim-tressel-knew#comment-97184

Basically, this poster knows a guy who's friend (I know, sounds ridiculous, like I said -- FWIW) who is a lawyer. The lawyer was retained by Ohio State around the holidays regarding an NCAA compliance matter that explicitly had to do with Tressel, not the Tat 5.

On another note, does anyone know what would have to be proven to bring sanctions? Not to be an apologist, but put what could have happened here in context. What if the information Tressel supposedly got didn't seem to be reliable -- even though it ended up being true. Is Tressel supposed to bring every little thing he hears from anyone to the compliance folks?

Again, not being a Tressel apologist, I'm just curious what would have to be proven here.
 
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Sorry numbers apparently I can't rep you from my ipod touch haha so I'll get you tomorrow.

Now all Buckeye fans can do is wait; I'm sure not for long. Jim Tressel is a great man no matter comes from this. He has proven this through his actions probably every day since he has been here. People do make mistakes, Tressel surely less than I and most others. I hope that everything ends up okay in the end and that Tressel comes out clean. There is a lot of uncertainty but I have a lot of faith in Jim Tressel. Go Bucks.
 
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The only 'news' is that yahoo has a source claiming that Tress knew about this earlier. I am no journalist but usually these reporters approach universities or athletes and ask for a comment to put in the article. As far as the 3 hours thing goes, I would imagine that three hours before the report Yahoo approached OSU and said "We have a guy who claims that Tress knew about the tatoos early. Do you have a comment?"

What if OSU simply responded you are full of crap, this story is [Mark May], and you probably shouldn't post this story because it isn't true.

I would imagine that this happens more often than not and journalists will simply drop the story with the public being none the wiser. Yahoo could be riding the recent scandal wave that put them on the map and decide to run with it anyways. How can a 2 month investigation that currently has no evidence or solid sources be damning enough for a violation or even this report?
 
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A word about the recent yahoo disclosure. As unsettling as it is, the bumpy ride with Urban that I have been a part of reminds me of this in many ways. There have been many things said of Urban - on here - over the years. Most of it was seemingly damning, and based upon some unknown, or even known source. Some of it had traction, although it was a mystery to me why. The claim that Urban told Jevan Snead that Tebow was being recruited as a fullback. :lol: People believed it, even when there were pictures of Snead and Tim throwing next to each other at Florida's Saturday Night Lights camp - and even though Tim was the most famously discussed QB we ever went after. There was smoke about his violating rules to call a California recruit. That he had his girlfriend given a free scholly as a bribe to come to Florida. Turns out that the girl was a nationally known gymnist that we had been recruiting for years.

At each of these - and others - I said that the main reason that I think the stories were overblown was that Urban was at his core a good guy. Not a saint, and not a clueless idealist, but an honorable man who wanted to see the best for his school and for his program and most of all for his kids - his athletes. My biggest reason NOT to initially believe the slurs was that Urban was not that kind of guy. He was one of the good guys. Well, I have not watched Tress as closely or for as long as ya'll, but I have to tell you that he is exactly the same type of guy to me. Tress is the real deal in a cynical profession. Tress is the anti-Kiffin....the anti-RichRod. Tress does care more about them growing as men than their 40 times or number of TD receptions. Coach Tressel has shown over the years who he is.

If he failed to see something soon enough, if he was not perfect, that makes him like the rest of us. I think that there are a million ways that coach Tressel may have not been perfect on this one. But there are a million ways to not be perfect that DO NOT involve dishonesty and unethical intent. So I think that you are in good hands in this, in that you have measured the man and you know what you have. And while there may be something in this that shows a lack of perfection, I do not think that there is anything in there that will make you ashamed to have him as your coach. I think this without having to know who said what about anything. I think that about Meyer. I think that about Tressel.

As bad as this seems, just think how you would feel if you had anyone else at the helm when this type of allegation came down. When all is said and done, I do not think that your worst fear will be realized. I think this beause of who Jim Tressel is, and the thousands of opportunties he has had to show that he is someone else, someone who plays it differently. But he never has. So that is why I think you will be OK when the smoke clears.
 
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BuckeyeMike80;1884922; said:
When JT has known about an infraction of some type, he has taken action. Until PROVEN otherwise, that's where I'm going to go.
It's a wise stance. Yahoo has never slowly leaked details about transgressions and they're going off of some pretty flimsy stuff right now. I'm not ignoring it, but to jump to conclusions based off of what they have right now is awfully rash.
 
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LordJeffBuck;1884878; said:
I'm not speculating on the truth of the allegations, and I hope that the facts come out, one way or the other. All I am saying is that Yahoo ran the story in an irresponsible fashion ... but that unfortunately has become the norm in the neverending news cycle.

I agree with this to a point. Yes, this has the potential to turn very ugly, very quickly. Should it, a head will need to--and will--roll We, however, are nowhere near defcon five. What we have so far is a lot of innuendo and hearsay, a little smoke and no fire.

Conversely, my skeptical side has always been troubled by the manner in which GS threw the compliance department under the bus in a manner reminiscent of Asquith sacrificing Churchill after the Dardanelles fiasco. It just has never passed the smell test in my opinion and seemed to beg the issue of a larger backstory.
 
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