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Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

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OH10;1911704; said:
Why all of the "fire Tressel" opinions now? Did some new material information come out today that we didn't know about before?

Its like Ohio State has lost so much credibility, no one believed us when we told them a month ago about these NCAA violations.

If we stood by him a month ago, we should stand by him now. Absent a show cause order, [censored] what everyone else thinks.
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First, more severe penalties seem a given today, whereas a month ago it seemed that the NCAA would be satisfied with Ohio State's self-imposed penalties.

Second, Ohio State's official position is that Tressel did not forward any of the Tatgate information to anyone in compliance or the AD's office - this is in order to avoid the "lack of institutional control" tag. By doing so, Ohio State has set Tressel up as a renegade coach who ignored both the NCAA rules and the school's own internal procedures. How can Ohio State keep Tressel now, when they've portrayed him as a rogue?

I've sort of stood by Tressel since Tatgate started, and I'll sort of stand by him now, but if the NCAA imposes any further penalties (especially vacating wins), then I'm walking away from the guy.
 
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LordJeffBuck;1912017; said:
Second, Ohio State's official position is that Tressel did not forward any of the Tatgate information to anyone in compliance or the AD's office - this is in order to avoid the "lack of institutional control" tag. By doing so, Ohio State has set Tressel up as a renegade coach who ignored both the NCAA rules and the school's own internal procedures. How can Ohio State keep Tressel now, when they've portrayed him as a rogue?
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Are you suggesting you're skeptical of the truthfulness of this position?
 
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LordJeffBuck;1912017; said:
How can Ohio State keep Tressel now, when they've portrayed him as a rogue?
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Man, you're making it sound like he's freaking Jason Bourne, LOL.

I don't think it was originally (and still not) their intention to paint him as some 'rogue coach'. I just don't think they were as prepared to handle the negative press (and the revelations that have come to light thus far) as they thought they were.
 
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buckeyesin07;1911928; said:
Bingo. I fully expect that OSU must vacate all wins from the 2010-11 season (bowl game included), in part simply because it is what the offended masses are clamoring for.
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The NCAA already allowed the ineligible players to play in the Sugar Bowl, so there's no way they turn around and vacate the win.
 
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zincfinger;1912020; said:
Are you suggesting you're skeptical of the truthfulness of this position?
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Well, if you believe Ohio State's official position, then Tressel must be a rogue coach. If you don't want to believe that Tressel is a rogue coach, then I guess that you have to be a little bit skeptical of the official story coming out of Columbus.
 
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LordJeffBuck;1912031; said:
Well, if you believe Ohio State's official position, then Tressel must be a rogue coach. If you don't want to believe that Tressel is a rogue coach, then I guess that you have to be a little bit skeptical of the official story coming out of Columbus.
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Tressel is Sarah Palin?
 
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MililaniBuckeye;1912030; said:
The NCAA already allowed the ineligible players to play in the Sugar Bowl, so there's no way they turn around and vacate the win.
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I think the speculation that the Sugar Bowl win be vacated is based on the notion that the NCAA ruling on the players being eligible was, in part, based upon misleading information/documentaion from tOSU. In other words, the NCAA understood that the coaches and university were not aware of the players trading/selling memorabilia until December '10, when they made the ruling - which has since been proven not to be the case.

I [censored]ing hate that I chimed in on this subject. :(
 
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I think the speculation that the Sugar Bowl win be vacated is based on the notion that the NCAA ruling on the players being eligible was, in part, based upon misleading information/documentaion from tOSU. In other words, the NCAA understood that the coaches and university were not aware of the players trading/selling memorabilia until December '10, when they made the ruling - which has since been proven not to be the case.
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Which would only add to the absurdity of their hypocrisy.

The only thing that has changed is the precarious position Tressel is in. The players aren't any more guilty today than they were before the bowl game, when the NCAA decided to protect the revenue streams by postponing the suspension.
 
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billmac91;1911544; said:
...Chris Cicero ... has always looked out for us. jt
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I believe this is also new to the public...certainly makes the argument he dismissed Cicero as a credible source moot.
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Not. At. All.

Cicero is a very rabid Buckeye fan who loves to associate with players and coaches, but who is also a loose cannon who frequently shoots his mouth off without really knowing what he's talking about. Is he right sometimes? Obviously yes. Are his intentions generally good? Absolutely. Can he be regarded as a "reliable source?" Hell, no.
 
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