Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[ysubuck]

Good plan, YSU. Expect the worst so you can be pleasantly surprised.

It doesn't really have anything to do with that. I don't see how he survives this to be honest. I'm not a glass half empty guy at all. But lying (or perceived lying) to the NCAA is about the worst thing you can do as far as the NCAA is concerned isn't it?

I'm worried that the NCAA will see this as their chance to rebound from the Cam Newton - Reggie Bush fiascos. They've got a high profile coach who has not been honest about his knowledge of this situation. Is this their chance to show some teeth? I mean, there isn't much question about how wrong Coach Tressel is in this situation is there?

I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but if Dez Bryant gets his senior season blown up for lying about having lunch with an agent, I'm not sure how Coach Tressel escapes with 5 games.

 

[strohs]

It doesn't really have anything to do with that. I don't see how he survives this to be honest.

I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but if Dez Bryant gets his senior season blown up for lying about having lunch with an agent, I'm not sure how Coach Tressel escapes with 5 games.

+1

 

[bassbuckeye07]

Im not mad at JT and I hope he survives this and retires in three years with a full cupboard....but im of the opinion if they nuke anything I hope its Tress and not the program. If they suspend him for a year so be it...or even force Ohio States hand to fire him. What I dont want to see is loss of bowl games, loss of scholly's etc. I used to be worried about a vacated season...now that means nothing. If we are allowd to operate with the same amount of schollys and oppertunity to get in a bowl game I am not worried with or with out Tress. I dont want ten years of Bama in the 90's and early 2000's. Which I really dont see how this situation is any where near what those guys were doing but it seems the general concensus around here is the NCAA only cares about lieing to them directly rather than elaborate pay for play schemes...

 

[Mac]

First game can't come soon enough. Rough time for the Buckeyes right now, but there's ALWAYS a light at the end of the Tunnel.

 

[bassbuckeye07]

First game can't come soon enough. Rough time for the Buckeyes right now, but there's ALWAYS a light at the end of the Tunnel.

Am I the only one who thinks we can have a damn good season?

 

[buckeyboy]

Am I the only one who thinks we can have a damn good season?

Nope, I'm very optimistic for this upcoming football season as there is way too much talent on this team for anyone to disregard. There will be obvious distractions but they'll all pull through.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

It doesn't really have anything to do with that. I don't see how he survives this to be honest. I'm not a glass half empty guy at all. But lying (or perceived lying) to the NCAA is about the worst thing you can do as far as the NCAA is concerned isn't it?

I'm worried that the NCAA will see this as their chance to rebound from the Cam Newton - Reggie Bush fiascos. They've got a high profile coach who has not been honest about his knowledge of this situation. Is this their chance to show some teeth? I mean, there isn't much question about how wrong Coach Tressel is in this situation is there?

I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but if Dez Bryant gets his senior season blown up for lying about having lunch with an agent, I'm not sure how Coach Tressel escapes with 5 games.

A couple of things....

First, I'm not intent on excusing Tressel for making the mistakes he made in handling this matter. But, I really don't see the big fucking deal here.

I confess I am not 100% up to speed on exactly what Tress is "accused" of doing, but where exactly is this lie you're talking about? I assume it's a "lie of omission" because he signed off on whatever form he has to sign off on prior to the 10 season even though he had reason to believe 2 of his players might be ineligible.

Bringing me to my second point... How many e-mails do you think any college coach gets in a day, week, month, year? How many of those e-mails are written by whack jobs? I mean, look at our rumor mill for shit's sake... Again, this isn't an excuse of Tress - but I think it's ludicrous for us to think Tress has to give 100% credibility to everything he hears about the guys in his program. True, this one ended up biting him in the ass - and he should indeed be punished for it.

But, good god.. this is not like he's running some kind of pay for play scheme. He didn't make some kind of underhanded recruiting violation in order to gain a competitive advantage. He failed to self report that he had reason to be worried about the eligibility of 2 of his premier players (Pryor and Posey). Big. Fucking. Deal.

To be clear once more - yes, Jim Tressel needs to "serve time" for his mistakes. He fucked up. So what?

And now on to the repeated mantra of what the NCAA is going to do vis a vis public perception. I must admit, I too worry that the NCAA is a fucking joke of a governing body and that they may yield to public perception. But - the NCAA can't fire Jim Tressel from Ohio State. Only the Board can.

If the NCAA keeps its decision making limited to what it should - that which is before it evidentiary wise - then I have no reason to believe that Tress is in any particular trouble beyond what we already know the sanctions are. So far as I know, Ohio State has been cooperative with the NCAA. (Unlike USC was) So far as I know, Ohio State and Tressel aren't trying to play the ignorance card (Cam Newton and Auburn).

Yes, this hurts. Yes, the media is having a field day.

So fucking what? We nearly uniformly pan the media all goddamnned day on this website... now I'm supposed to give a rats fuck about what these idiots have to say?

Spare me.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

.... and if I'm wrong, and Tress doesn't survive this....

Who cares?

We say it all the time - Ohio State is bigger than any one player. Well, it's also bigger than any one coach. Don't get me wrong, Tress has done wonderful things for the University and for the football program. He isn't an "average" coach and losing him would certainly be "felt" on the field. But... Ohio State football will be Ohio State football regardless of if Tress takes one more step on the sideline.

Yeah, I'll miss him if/when he's goes. But, I'm not the least bit worried that when Tress steps down or is fired, Ohio State will end up playing shit football. That's the difference, I think, between making Ohio State a program rather than a just a team coached by a particularly skilled coach.

 

[Folanator]

A couple of things....

First, I'm not intent on excusing Tressel for making the mistakes he made in handling this matter. But, I really don't see the big fucking deal here.

I confess I am not 100% up to speed on exactly what Tress is "accused" of doing, but where exactly is this lie you're talking about? I assume it's a "lie of omission" because he signed off on whatever form he has to sign off on prior to the 10 season even though he had reason to believe 2 of his players might be ineligible.

Bringing me to my second point... How many e-mails do you think any college coach gets in a day, week, month, year? How many of those e-mails are written by whack jobs? I mean, look at our rumor mill for shit's sake... Again, this isn't an excuse of Tress - but I think it's ludicrous for us to think Tress has to give 100% credibility to everything he hears about the guys in his program. True, this one ended up biting him in the ass - and he should indeed be punished for it.

But, good god.. this is not like he's running some kind of pay for play scheme. He didn't make some kind of underhanded recruiting violation in order to gain a competitive advantage. He failed to self report that he had reason to be worried about the eligibility of 2 of his premier players (Pryor and Posey). Big. Fucking. Deal.

To be clear once more - yes, Jim Tressel needs to "serve time" for his mistakes. He fucked up. So what?

And now on to the repeated mantra of what the NCAA is going to do vis a vis public perception. I must admit, I too worry that the NCAA is a fucking joke of a governing body and that they may yield to public perception. But - the NCAA can't fire Jim Tressel from Ohio State. Only the Board can.

If the NCAA keeps its decision making limited to what it should - that which is before it evidentiary wise - then I have no reason to believe that Tress is in any particular trouble beyond what we already know the sanctions are. So far as I know, Ohio State has been cooperative with the NCAA. (Unlike USC was) So far as I know, Ohio State and Tressel aren't trying to play the ignorance card (Cam Newton and Auburn).

Yes, this hurts. Yes, the media is having a field day.

So fucking what? We nearly uniformly pan the media all goddamnned day on this website... now I'm supposed to give a rats fuck about what these idiots have to say?

Spare me.

Fine post. The only thing I could add is that OSU fans need to grow a pair and quit worrying about every word that the media write. Perception does not mean shit, never has. EVERYONE already thought we cheated in the first place, what's going to happen? They think we cheat worse????

FUCK 'em

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Fine post. The only thing I could add is that OSU fans need to grow a pair and quit worrying about every word that the media write. Perception does not mean shit, never has. EVERYONE already thought we cheated in the first place, what's going to happen? They think we cheat worse????

FUCK 'em

Exactly. As a fan base, we can blame ourselves for worrying so much as to whether or not this talking head or that one says anything negative about Ohio State.

I mean - we blast Dennis Dodd for failing to put Ohio Stadium in the correct spot in his "Best College Stadiums" poll... like any one should give a good goddamn about it.

Why does the media go after Ohio State? Because we can't ever just let it go. We listen. We read. We watch. They get ratings numbers. If you really want to know why ESPN didn't go after Auburn or SC it's because no one gives a shit about those schools.

 

[Jake]

Fine post. The only thing I could add is that OSU fans need to grow a pair and quit worrying about every word that the media write.

Indeed.

Some folks seem to take pride in "herbie bashing" and whining incessantly about "e$pin", like it's a badge of honor. Ohio State will always have a bulls eye on its back so long as it remains a big player in college athletics. Get used to it.

My concern with Tresselgate is more about potential sanctions to the program/university than anything that may or may not happen to him personally. Bowl bans and losing scholies would do more to knock tOSU down a peg than anything the idiots on TV have to say.

We'll see...

 

[cincibuck]

I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but if Dez Bryant gets his senior season blown up for lying about having lunch with an agent, I'm not sure how Coach Tressel escapes with 5 games.

And Dez can fall back on the, he-was-just-a-kid argument.

I'm absolutely stunned by JT's choices here, but it's a tough way to make a living. Depending upon 18 to 23 year olds is tough enough, but when they come to you with egos stoked to the max, jock sniffers with lots of baubles to tempt/tamper with, and the demand to win so great it ain't going to get any easier.

 

[79Redmen]

Crime & Punishment

When the Tat5 news was reported, I commented on a couple websites that OSU should forfeit the Sugar Bowl Exhibition. While the victory was sweet; the current mess would likely have been avoided.

It has always been obvious that the program either covered up the players noncompliance, or the coaches and administration were negligent with teaching and monitoring the rules.

There is guilt. The infractions seem to be minor, but the cover-up may end up costing the team for years with lost scholarships and bowl bans.

.... With Tressel's suspension, perhaps OSU could bring in Mike Leach as guest Offensive Coordinator.

GO BUCKS

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

And Dez can fall back on the, he-was-just-a-kid argument.

I'm absolutely stunned by JT's choices here, but it's a tough way to make a living. Depending upon 18 to 23 year olds is tough enough, but when they come to you with egos stoked to the max, jock sniffers with lots of baubles to tempt/tamper with, and the demand to win so great it ain't going to get any easier.

Seems to me another issue - and not one with only Ohio State - is the 24 hour news cycle, the number of outlets reporting on sports generally, as well as the prevalence of internet chat boards has not yet "settled" in. What I mean is - in 1985, for example, we all had a sense that Earle was probably recruiting kids to play for the Buckeyes.... but... we didn't get hourly updates about it like we do now.

There's a bit of "settling in" that needs to occur, in my view, as to how we are able to deal with our ability to immediately access information. We need to learn to wait before making our judgments on stories that continue to develop. For all I know, we could learn tomorrow that Tressel only did what he did because someone threatened the lives of his close friends and family (No, I don't think that's the case... I'm just saying.... people might re-examine some of their remarks if such a fact ever revealed itself)

Likewise - people, in my view, ought to take a closer look at what a reasonable penalty is for situations. I'm speaking specifically about folks who wanted the Tat 5 kicked out of school entirely in this. Seems to me cooler heads should prevail in most cases. Happily, so far cooler heads have prevailed despite the "outrage" expressed by some.

That said - McMullen was clearly a better QB than Krenzel. :p

 

[Jake]

When the Tat5 news was reported, I commented on a couple websites that OSU should forfeit the Sugar Bowl Exhibition. While the victory was sweet; the current mess would likely have been avoided.

Not likely. The recent claim that Tressel did, allegedlly, share the info could put the lie to what he said earlier. That raises the bar regardless of the Sugar Bowl.

What would've avoided this mess is coming clean last Spring, the Tat5 serving the customary 4 game suspension to start the 2010 season, and life goes on. The alleged attempt to hide the transgression has made a small problem a potentially much larger one.