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Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

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That is what I was hinting at with my last post about the marketing/pr department.

When I got here, I had fully bought into the image of Tressel as "...a model of probity ... the Sunday school teacher helping young men stay on the straight and narrow".

And then you start down the rabbit hole and his image starts to look like a carefully crafted marketing/pr campaign.

I don't really know what to believe anymore.

And as disappointing as it is for me, a casual OSU fan, I guess it's a whole lot worse for you guys.
 
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unionfutura;1897923; said:
To seriously answer your question before, the NCAA really doesn't care about the amount of cash goes to a kid, what really matters did the school facilitate that behavior either through the coaches or through affiliated boosters. Also if the school was aware of such activity what did it do to fix the situation. In our case the head coach was aware of the activity and did nothing, he in fact failed to disclose the violation to compliance, the NCAA, and his AD both in September and in December when the violations came to light.

USC it was only proved that Todd McNair knew of this improper dealings with agents. There was no proof that Pete Carroll was aware of anything (hard to believe but you know), therefore it'll be easier to state that OSU lost institutional control easier than USC.
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I don't think you're going to see type of institutional control penalty - otherwise it would have happened with the original Tat5 investigation.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;1897952; said:
The fact that he'd share the info with Pryor's hometown "mentor" but not his employer is the final straw for me. Any employee who acted similarly--whether in the private or public sector--would be summarily dismissed. The time has come!
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For sending an email concerning a similar transgression by another employee? Doubtful, very doubtful, ESPECIALLY in the public sector.

Again, this revelation really changes nothing. The University had to have been aware of this transaction as it was investigating this and before the Yahoo report. The NCAA is certain to be aware of it as well.

Now, we get to see if the goodwill by self-reporting everything and anything carries any weight. If it does, the penalties imposed will likely stand - if not I think you'll see people re-evaluate their stance RE: self-reporting from now on.

If I had money to bet that wasn't going to the goddamn gas pumps, I'd still be betting heavily that the penalties as they stand (specifically the fine and the games to be missed) will stand.
 
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Jaxbuck;1897904; said:
I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that OSU has been going on the straight and narrow with this deal but I think Jakes post below addresses the second part.

This mess is well beyond the rule the kids broke. Tressel is in deep [Mark May] because it is becoming more and more obvious he knew about it, tried to cover it up and has been less than transparent about the attempted cover up since.

Its similar to the government going after Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens. The Feds don't give a [Mark May] about the steroid use, they have a hard on because those guys lied about it. The NCAA could very well get the same type of hard on for Tressel.

To echo Jake, its a damn shame because it looks like one moment of weakness, one lapse in judgment has spiraled completely out of control and it could have so easily been avoided. Then again the argument could be made that perhaps this wasn't an isolated case of bad judgment, that there was a pattern of this type of behavior and he just finally got caught.

Truth probably lies somewhere in between the two extremes.
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I guess the fact that he even had to lie about something as ridiculous as this is why I don't hold this too high against Tressel's head. To see your season possibly go down the drain, in a time when people are already calling for your head for not dropping 70 pts on lesser teams all the time despite bringing a NC to Columbus for the first time in over 30 years, over a victimless probably didn't sit to well with Tressel.

As for the straight and narrow part, I was referring to how much we cooperate with the NCAA much more readily then most big time programs.



cincibuck;1897946; said:
As a proud grad, life member of the alumni association and regular giver to the College of Education and the scholarship fund, I've always been a believer in the integrity of the school. I believed that OSU played the game at another level, that they did not indulge in the kind of buying of players I believed to be rampant at places such as USC or Alabama. That faith has been rattled.
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If you honestly believed OSU was a completely clean program then I have sweet $10 million penthouse in Florida I'd like to sell you. Think about this if you were a recruit: Would you really turn down the "benefits" that an Alabama or LSU would offer to go play at OSU just because you were a fan growing up? Fuck no. Sure there's the chance you could get caught but really, how likely is that? It's only been just recently that the NCAA has started cracking down.

Keep in mind that I don't believe OSU is NEARLY as dirty as, say, an SEC school. I believe the program is run with as much dignity as humanly possible while still allowing for the unprecedented success we've been enjoying. This whole mess hasn't changed my perception of Tressel or OSU one bit because I know this level of success doesn't come without a price.

If you're willing to settle for multiple 8-5 seasons with losses to Michigan every other year, then yeah you could probably run a completely clean program here at OSU. Buckeye Nation isn't willing to settle for that though, nor a 5-3 BCS bowl record, 8 seasons with ten or more wins, one Heisman Trophy winner, 3 NC appearance, or a share of the Big Ten conference almost every freaking year WHILE beating Michigan 9 times in 10 years.
 
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Systems_id;1897983; said:
Keep in mind that I don't believe OSU is NEARLY as dirty as, say, an SEC school. I believe the program is run with as much dignity as humanly possible while still allowing for the unprecedented success we've been enjoying. This whole mess hasn't changed my perception of Tressel or OSU one bit because I know this level of success doesn't come without a price.
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There's a certain Big Texas School that controls nine other teams, a TV deal, part of ESPN, and officials.

Just ask Ben Cotton's....well...

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Keep in mind....we dropped like EIGHTY touchdowns in that game (which is what a homer would have you believing).

And the refs had it out for us.
 
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alexhortdog95;1897985; said:
There's a certain Big Texas School that controls nine other teams, a TV deal, part of ESPN, and officials.

Just ask Ben Cotton's....well...

Keep in mind....we dropped like EIGHTY touchdowns in that game (which is what a homer would have you believing).

And the refs had it out for us.
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Well, 3 or 4 TD's were dropped in the Texas game. And the refs were worse in the aTm game. :wink2:
 
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BB73;1897993; said:
Well, 3 or 4 TD's were dropped in the Texas game. And the refs were worse in the aTm game. :wink2:
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16 penalties to 2 in the A&M game. Two....against one of the most penalized teams in the country, LOL

That wasn't obvious.

And - the arrogance of some of our fans got the best of us in the Texas game. Some thought we'd roll over em.

I think back to the first game I took my wife to in 98. Texas came to town with a QB named Major and some guy named Ricky. Fans applauded them as they walked off our field with a win then.

I'll give it to em...they've owned us since that 97 season. But the loss in the Big 12 championship game to the Horns and then the multiple screwjob that fans felt in the next season really put a bad taste in the mouth of NU fans when it comes to UT.

Let me put it this way - the glee that tOSU fans felt when App State beat Michigan.....I felt the same way when A&M beat UT to keep them bowl ineligible. :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
 
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BuckeyeMike80;1897972; said:
I don't think you're going to see type of institutional control penalty - otherwise it would have happened with the original Tat5 investigation.
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Except with the original Tat5 investigation based upon what the NCAA was informed of by the school, none of this even existed as far as anyone knew. Now...now we have a coach trying to *cover up* NCAA violations. Seems a lot like a lack of institutional control situation to me. And whether right or wrong to view it in such light, I think anything short of a season-long suspension from the program for Tressel will be seen as a lack of institutional control on the program by the NCAA.

We can go on and on about how Gene Smith and Gee would be lengthening and upping the severity if they knew it wasn't enough; I've heard it, I understand it, and I get it. However, it seems to me that either through the increase in news coverage or through actual malfeasance, more major programs are having more (major) infractions committed. We have USC, the Newton scandal, multiple issues and allegations in our own house over the past decade+, Oregon, Arkansas, the Pearl situation, and the list goes on and on. I am willing to bet the NCAA is feeling like there is a widespread lack of control, and we may be in the unlucky position and have the unlucky timing to end up as the poster-boy for the recent *increase* in lack of control across college sports.
 
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This situation is just spiraling out of control and continues to get worse and worse... I'm leaning towards being of the opinion that Tressel should either retire or be fired. Lying to the NCAA once is one thing, and its gotten coaches fired and players suspended permanently, but not informing the NCAA, nor your employers, but informing Pryor's 'mentor'? I just don't know anymore.. I'll always support JT, Gene Smith, Gordon Gee, and The Ohio State University through it all, but at the end of the day I just don't know.
 
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Just read that the lawyer who sent Tressel the emails is now receiving death threats from tOSU fans.

Not surprising that that small minority of crazy folks are going that way. The same type crazies here threatened Kevin Cozgrove.

Is Bruce Hooley a hack? There's another nutzo radio station here that interviewed him late last week about being fired for talking about Tressel
 
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