Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[Steve19]

If you can quote the kinds of statistical information (without looking it up) about programs outside the Big 10 as you responded with about OSU, I'd bet that's an exceedingly rare thing.

So, we can assume that you are on the Arkansas boards right now baying for the blood of your basketball coach for his recruiting violations reported during the past week?

Or, perhaps you can link us to the critical posts you made when this stuff was going down?

The plan was ambitious: Get the once-scandal-plagued Southeastern Conference free of NCAA probation by next spring.


Barring a successful appeal of sanctions handed down against Arkansas' decorated track and field program Thursday, it won't happen. The NCAA hit the Razorbacks with three years' probation and stripped them of their 2004 and 2005 men's outdoor national championships for recruiting violations involving a former assistant coach and current world sprint star Tyson Gay.


The NCAA found the coach, Lance Brauman, and his wife provided Gay with improper transportation, housing and academic assistance from July-September 2003. That was prior to Gay's enrollment at Arkansas and only months after SEC commissioner Mike Slive said a league once saddled with as many as six schools on probation hoped to be clean in five years.


"To say I am disappointed is an understatement," Slive said Thursday.


Three other SEC programs on probation ? Georgia men's basketball and South Carolina and Mississippi State football ? are scheduled to come off next April and June. (link)

Or maybe you could show us where you are reminding Arkansas fans on the Hogs board that fans of a school, put on a three-year probation earlier in this decade when a booster paid 20 players, shouldn't throw stones?

I'll bet the slimy jersey saga that came out just before our bowl game must have really upset you and that you can give us links to your posts on an Arkansas site at the time?

Nothing personal, but I guess that I make the point...

 

[BB73]

So, while what Pearl and Tressel did are the same (again, to the NCAA), the saving grace that Coach Tressel may have is that he's still UNDER CONTRACT with the school. But if the NCAA doesn't think that his five game with a fine is good enough......

Also - I'd agree with you on the 'someone else knew' theory. I had said that in a previous post that if the HC took this one on all by himself, he's got some big(ger) round ones, LOL.




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I think everybody on this board understands that JT violated rule 10.1.

That's just one of several things that Pearl did wrong.

So just stop saying they did the same thing. You can say they violated the same rule, but to otherwise equate JT and Pearl is tiresome, and will not be tolerated on this board.
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[alexhortdog95]

That touches on my biggest gripe about the NCAA - the way coaches who commit violations often get away with a simple job change.

You want to put some teeth into NCAA rules, make the coaches personally responsible, that's how.

Yeah, I know you are speaking from experience on coaches (Houston Nutt), LOL. Folks started looking at his text messages and he bolted for Ole Miss.

Call me spoiled around here - we've only had 5 head coaches in almost fifty years here, LOL

 

[SmoovP]

So, we can assume that you are on the Arkansas boards right now baying for the blood of your basketball coach for his recruiting violations reported during the past week?

Or, perhaps you can link us to the critical posts you made when this stuff was going down?

Or maybe you could show us where you are reminding Arkansas fans on the Hogs board that fans of a school, put on a three-year probation earlier in this decade when a booster paid 20 players, shouldn't throw stones?

I'll bet the slimy jersey saga that came out just before our bowl game must have really upset you and that you can give us links to your posts on an Arkansas site at the time?

Nothing personal, but I guess that I make the point...

Actually, I'm not precisely clear on what point you're attempting to make.

Is it that I'm a hypocrite?

If that is indeed your point, just come out and say it and we'll address it.

 

[BB73]

So, we can assume that you are on the Arkansas boards right now baying for the blood of your basketball coach for his recruiting violations reported during the past week?

Actually, last week he started a thread on BP asking about who the next Arkansas hoops coach should be.

 

[alexhortdog95]

I think everybody on this board understands that JT violated rule 10.1.

That's just one of several things that Pearl did wrong.

So just stop saying they did the same thing. You can say they violated the same rule, but to otherwise equate JT and Pearl is tiresome, and will not be tolerated on this board.
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Again, apologies...not my intention to upset anyone. Not trying to show disrepsect for the fans, the university, or the team. I have only the utmost for you guys.

 

[Steve19]

And, true to my word, here's a couple of links to the Taylor Martinez story:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/big12/2011-01-26-nebraska-martinez-dad_N.htm

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/dec/29/sports/la-sp-1230-martinez-corn-fed-20101230

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/coll...0-12-30-nebraska-martinez-dad-licensing_N.htm

I told ya, I'm just as hard on my OWN team as I am on others. I love the sport of Football FIRST. I could watch any game on TV.

That's not my point. We saw the articles.

The Taylor Martinez licensing scam was ridiculous. How could anyone believe that nobody knew this guy's son was a high school football star or that the father's company was continuing to supply the team after his kid was recruited.

You seem to feel pretty strongly about ethical values in the case of Tressel, so my request is simple. Just provide a link where you are as strident about these values in respect to your own team on its fan pages.

 

[Tlangs]

I DO, however, want him to be held accountible for his actions (or inactions, at this point).

You're making it sound like he isn't being held accountable. 5 games and a quarter mil seems like accountabillity.

The team will be without 4 offensive starters and its head coach for 2 marquee matchups (@Miami, and MSU) a 3rd against a BCS team (Colorado). Then they get to try and integrate everyone back into the game plan and head off to Lincoln Nebreska to play another great team.

Chances are high that these suspensions will cost OSU a shot at a National Title or a BCS bowl in 2011.

Individually,these players are missing out on opportunities to improve their draft stock. TP in particular is most likely losing a shot at college football immortality by winning The Heisman.

Everyone is being held accountable. To me it seems the only thing in question is whether or not to erase last year.

Extending JT's suspension seems ridiculous to me. He is already going to serve suspension of 42% of his season. Bruce Pearl served a suspension of 24% of his season.....and I really hate comparing the 2 situations. Even if they were suspended for the same percentage of the season, the football penalty is more severe due to Bowls vs. March Madness. If UT loses half of the games during the suspension they drop from a 7 to a 9 seed. OSU loses half of the games, there season was a complete disaster.

5 games is plenty.

 

[Steve19]

Actually, I'm not precisely clear on what point you're attempting to make.

Is it that I'm a hypocrite?

If that is indeed your point, just come out and say it and we'll address it.

Not at all. I'm just asking you to provide us with links where you assert the same values for your own team that you are asserting here. If indeed you haven't, then perhaps that would be one conclusion.

Frankly, I am getting very tired of fans from SEC teams coming to an Ohio State board to talk about high ethical standards.

 

[Steve19]

Actually, last week he started a thread on BP asking about who the next Arkansas hoops coach should be.

Fine. My point is, is he displaying the same vigor in questioning the values of his own team's coach that he is showing here?

 

[alexhortdog95]

That's not my point. We saw the articles.

The Taylor Martinez licensing scam was ridiculous. How could anyone believe that nobody knew this guy's son was a high school football star or that the father's company was continuing to supply the team after his kid was recruited.

You seem to feel pretty strongly about ethical values in the case of Tressel, so my request is simple. Just provide a link where you are as strident about these values in respect to your own team on its fan pages.

Will this do?

http://bigrednetwork.com/story/not_to_speak_ill_of_the_departed/

Do a search for alexhortdog95 and you'll find this post:

Look.

First, stop comparing Nebraska to Boise. Nebraska played in their conference ALONE the following bowl teams: (OSU, A&M, KSU, MU, ISU, and OU in the championship game). They beat four of those six teams (and had the other two beaten till they self-destructed).

Let?s look at who Boise played that got to bowl games:

Va Tech (a very slow starting Va Tech team that lost to James Madison)
Toledo, Hawaii, Fresno State, Nevada, Utah in the bowl).

I think Nebraska played the tougher schedule. Nebraska got crap for playing teams in the Sun Belt. Why? Cause they?re Nebraska. So, let?s stop comparing them to a team that plays one or two tough games a year, and a bunch of scrubs the rest of the time.

Second - last I checked, those stars aren?t above the player?s heads when they?re on the field. Ask Niles Paul, Marlon Lucky, and a chorus of others.

Third - this young man is going to the AIR FORCE ACADEMY. For all those who have never served in the military, let me let you know what that means?.

If you go to ANY of the military academies, and then have a life after football (cause there is life after football), and go to a job interview?.you?re looked at much differently. The mere fact that you went to a military academy AND served a commission in the Air Force is one thing. But the fact that you served in one of the most advanced fighting units on the planet helps you on the resume, trust me. I was in the US Army and have been a programmer for over 10 years. Most of the guys making big dollars in this business were Military trained.

So I think he?ll be okay. I wish him well, and he?s made an excellent choice for his life AFTER athletics is over.

 

[scarletmike]

Really guys? Are we going to try and run out two of the best "outsider" posters we have around here over stating what you or I can find out if we walk out our front door and talk to people who aren't tOSU fans? Because really, that is exactly what Gator and Smoov are stating; exactly what I hear whenever I talk to the average Purdue, IU, or Notre Dame fan around here. Those are regional school fans that know more about tOSU than fans outside of our region (say, the SEC or BXII) would know, yet they hold many of the same (mis)conceptions and thoughts of our program(s) as those outside our conference and region. In reading other team's forums through various linkage in threads here, I get the impression that we are generally the most fanatical and informed sports fans on the internet (Gator, Smoov, hang with me, because I'm not trying to make us sound like pompous windbags, because we do that well enough on our own), and are not at all representative of the rest of the 99% of sports fans who follow sports and individual programs "closely." Gator and Smoov have even said as much in many, many posts praising BP and its members as some of the most intelligent discussion for college and other sports on the 'Net.

Heck, I consider myself a pretty dedicated fan, yet I can't recite or even know where to begin looking for some of the shit the rest of you can cite like back of your hand. I don't follow recruiting much, I don't know the record of teams outside of tOSU and the occasional scUM team during any given season. I think I would be a pretty good representative of what most people outside of BP would consider an "overly-informed" fan, and I can tell you that I am pretty much at the extreme end of "informed," and I have met some pretty big fans of other programs.

The fact of the matter is, what Smoov and Gator have stated about outside perceptions is pretty much true. We, as the informed fans we consider ourselves to be, may look down upon, not appreciate, or want to acknowledge that truth, but it is there to stay. The average BP member does not even closely resemble the average "informed" fan, and those "informed" fans hold the opinions stated by Smoov and Gator. So give it a rest, guys. Yes, Gator may be a little too overzealous about trying to make his point, and Smoov may be at times as well. But when you all are attacking and posterizing them as being what is wrong with fans outside of BP...that is quite frankly ridiculous and is partly how tOSU fans gain some of the negative reputation we have (right or wrong) attained.

Now, if you wish to run me out with pitchforks and torches, you'll be able to find me in the basketball forum enjoying our amazing run and discussing other tourney games. As for Gator and Smoov, don't think I like either of you just because of this.


EDIT: In rereading this, I think I need a dumb summary. What I'm saying is; stop it with the crap you keep tossing at Gator and Smoov, open your eyes a bit and calm the fuck down. That is what the average, "informed" sports fan thinks. You can't change it, so stop killing Gator and Smoov for providing you with the outside opinion that was originally asked for but you didn't want to really hear. They have only restated it so many freaking times because you all want to say its dumb, wrong, and can't possibly be the outside opinion of any well-informed fan. Maybe if we stop claiming that can't be the opinion of the average informed fan and actually accept that it is, they would stop posting it again, and again, and again? Just a thought. Now carry on with the bashing...

 

[bassbuckeye07]

Again spare me with all the moral outrage.....let me know when Tress punches his wife or imbezzles money from a boosters defunct bank that took TARP money to pay recruits to play here and I will be first in line with a pitch fork.....reading this thread (which I do to see if any new news about punishment)....it is clear that many of our friends from other fan bases are here to watch a car accident happen. They have schadenfreude all over their faces its apparent in the posts

 

[BUCKYLE]

Really guys? Are we going to try and run out two of the best "outsider" posters we have around here over stating what you or I can find out if we walk out our front door and talk to people who aren't tOSU fans? Because really, that is exactly what Gator and Smoov are stating; exactly what I hear whenever I talk to the average Purdue, IU, or Notre Dame fan around here. Those are regional school fans that know more about tOSU than fans outside of our region (say, the SEC or BXII) would know, yet they hold many of the same (mis)conceptions and thoughts of our program(s) as those outside our conference and region. In reading other team's forums through various linkage in threads here, I get the impression that we are generally the most fanatical and informed sports fans on the internet (Gator, Smoov, hang with me, because I'm not trying to make us sound like pompous windbags, because we do that well enough on our own), and are not at all representative of the rest of the 99% of sports fans who follow sports and individual programs "closely." Gator and Smoov have even said as much in many, many posts praising BP and its members as some of the most intelligent discussion for college and other sports on the 'Net.

Heck, I consider myself a pretty dedicated fan, yet I can't recite or even know where to begin looking for some of the shit the rest of you can cite like back of your hand. I don't follow recruiting much, I don't know the record of teams outside of tOSU and the occasional scUM team during any given season. I think I would be a pretty good representative of what most people outside of BP would consider an "overly-informed" fan, and I can tell you that I am pretty much at the extreme end of "informed," and I have met some pretty big fans of other programs.

The fact of the matter is, what Smoov and Gator have stated about outside perceptions is pretty much true. We, as the informed fans we consider ourselves to be, may look down upon, not appreciate, or want to acknowledge that truth, but it is there to stay. The average BP member does not even closely resemble the average "informed" fan, and those "informed" fans hold the opinions stated by Smoov and Gator. So give it a rest, guys. Yes, Gator may be a little too overzealous about trying to make his point, and Smoov may be at times as well. But when you all are attacking and posterizing them as being what is wrong with fans outside of BP...that is quite frankly ridiculous and is how OSU fans gain some of the negative reputation we have (right or wrong) attained.

Now, if you wish to run me out with pitchforks and torches, you'll be able to find me in the basketball forum enjoying our amazing run and discussing other tourney games. As for Gator and Smoov, don't think I like either of you just because of this.

Uh...what?

 

[alexhortdog95]

Really guys? Are we going to try and run out two of the best "outsider" posters we have around here over stating what you or I can find out if we walk out our front door and talk to people who aren't tOSU fans? Because really, that is exactly what Gator and Smoov are stating; exactly what I hear whenever I talk to the average Purdue, IU, or Notre Dame fan around here. Those are regional school fans that know more about tOSU than fans outside of our region (say, the SEC or BXII) would know, yet they hold many of the same (mis)conceptions and thoughts of our program(s) as those outside our conference and region. In reading other team's forums through various linkage in threads here, I get the impression that we are generally the most fanatical and informed sports fans on the internet (Gator, Smoov, hang with me, because I'm not trying to make us sound like pompous windbags, because we do that well enough on our own), and are not at all representative of the rest of the 99% of sports fans who follow sports and individual programs "closely." Gator and Smoov have even said as much in many, many posts praising BP and its members as some of the most intelligent discussion for college and other sports on the 'Net.

Heck, I consider myself a pretty dedicated fan, yet I can't recite or even know where to begin looking for some of the shit the rest of you can cite like back of your hand. I don't follow recruiting much, I don't know the record of teams outside of tOSU and the occasional scUM team during any given season. I think I would be a pretty good representative of what most people outside of BP would consider an "overly-informed" fan, and I can tell you that I am pretty much at the extreme end of "informed," and I have met some pretty big fans of other programs.

The fact of the matter is, what Smoov and Gator have stated about outside perceptions is pretty much true. We, as the informed fans we consider ourselves to be, may look down upon, not appreciate, or want to acknowledge that truth, but it is there to stay. The average BP member does not even closely resemble the average "informed" fan, and those "informed" fans hold the opinions stated by Smoov and Gator. So give it a rest, guys. Yes, Gator may be a little too overzealous about trying to make his point, and Smoov may be at times as well. But when you all are attacking and posterizing them as being what is wrong with fans outside of BP...that is quite frankly ridiculous and is how OSU fans gain some of the negative reputation we have (right or wrong) attained.

Now, if you wish to run me out with pitchforks and torches, you'll be able to find me in the basketball forum enjoying our amazing run and discussing other tourney games. As for Gator and Smoov, don't think I like either of you just because of this.

I think it's just a passion that we as fans have for our respective fan bases.

I just pissed off a couple of moderators here - not my intention. I just think that tOSU is doing what most would do in the same situation - defending their own. I mean, it's not every day that a respectible program like tOSU gets such scrutiny.

I had an old boss that always said, "Your one oh s**t moment will kill your 100 attaboys." That's what's happening here.

I dont think that either Gator or Smoov mean any disrespect either (can't speak for them, but nothing in their posts makes me think otherwise). They seem to be fans of the game as I am.