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WR Ted Ginn, Jr. (Official Thread)

Ginn confident of his abilities, not afraid of being the target

This is a pretty good article. It shows that Ginn wasnt always the "god-like" football player he is now. All those 2-a-days, the weights, the heat, the running - it all paid off in a big way for Ginn as he didnt take anything for granted, but put it in his own hands and worked for it all.

Ginn confident of his abilities, not afraid of being the target
Sunday, April 10, 2005
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
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He sits atop the glass trophy cases in the Woody Hayes Athletic Center’s Hall of Champions, where Ohio State’s legends are paid tribute.

Lest one think sophomore Ted Ginn Jr. is committing sacrilege, consider he already has two plaques of his own on display — for winning national freshman-of-the-week awards.

No, he’s not out of place. Lounging in his throwback San Diego Padres hat, stylish spectacles and baggy brown sweat pants, he simply appears comfortable.

And that should be a scary prospect to OSU’s opponents this season.

Ginn looked uncomfortable early last season as the Buckeyes struggled to a 3-3 mark. But then everything came together.

During the second half of 2004, Ginn’s speed and playmaking electrified college football. He touched the ball 45 times and scored seven touchdowns.

Three of those came in three different ways (rushing, punt return and receiving) against Michigan State in an unforgettable showcase Nov. 6 in East Lansing.

He tied an NCAA career record for punt-return touchdowns with four.

"If Teddy is catching a nice bomb from somebody and just running away from people, it’s just a beautiful, exciting thing to see," OSU center Nick Mangold said.

Now consider that Ginn was little more than a sideshow for half of last season. What’s in store this year, when Ginn is sure to be a centerpiece from the start?

"If I play more in the first half of the season, I can’t really say what could happen," Ginn said. "But I know a couple things could have happened (last year) as far as a couple plays, a couple runs. We lost by seven a couple times (actually, seven once and six once).

"Some of the stuff we could have prevented if I had played a little bit in the first half of the season. But you know, just go on."

That’s typical Ginn-speak. It sounds uncomfortably brash, but it’s not intended that way. It’s spoken from an unshakable confidence in his own abilities.

If he were cocky, his teammates wouldn’t support him the way they do.

"Coming from him, you feel nothing but positive energy," quarterback Troy Smith said. "He’s a player that wants to learn, wants to get better day in and day out."

Ginn was raw last September, partly because he spent most of preseason camp as a defensive back.

His first reception, in the opener against Cincinnati, went for minus-7 yards. There were hints of incorrect routes and signs of inconsistent hands.

"It’s a lot to learn," he said. "You’ve got to know when to be at this spot, you’ve got to know when the ball is coming, you’ve got to know when to turn your head around. There’s a lot of things you’ve got to look for as a receiver."

He cited the Michigan State game as the point at which he began to "get it."

Coach Jim Tressel said Ginn’s knowledge was the difference in his late-season explosion.

"Early last season, Ted Ginn was a novice," Tressel said. "And you could see the increase in understanding. And once you understand what’s being asked of you, now all of the sudden your physical abilities take over.

"He has extraordinary physical abilities."

Ginn has been trying to bulk up, hopeful of adding 10 pounds to his 175-pound frame. He wants to be able to better handle the increased hits he knows will come, and to defeat press coverage at the line.

"One thing you better do if you jam — you better make sure you jam him, or he’ll be gone," Tressel said. "But I think that will be something that many, many people will try to do to keep him from being able to get up the field as quickly. So he’s got to keep working on that."

Being a target doesn’t seem to bother Ginn much, either.

"I’ve been a target since my 10 th-grade year," he said. "A lot of guys are going to come at me, and I’m going to have to take a lot of hits. I’ve just got to make sure my body is going to be able to take those hits."

Asked whether there were new game-plan twists in store for him this season, Ginn said, "It’s the same, just perfect it."

Although Tressel is reluctant to use Ginn on defense, he will see more action on kickoff returns this fall.

That should add about 15 touches to his totals. In addition to his increased involvement during the first half of this season, it seems reasonable to expect at least 90 touches for Ginn in 2005.

He’s young — he turns 20 Tuesday — but this would seem to put Ginn in danger of tiring from overuse.

"Oh no," he said, "because (in) high school, I basically played everything. I played every position in football and ran every hard race in track you could name, so I could just fight through all that."

So he never has finished a game wiped out? He never has known sheer exhaustion? "No."

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Im not suprised hes wanting to put on about 10-15 lbs. A week or so ago, I was debating wiht MililaniBuck that he should put on about 10-15, and it would set him up nicely for a future as WR (in the NFL) and not a DB or SP team specialist. Hopefully he can get it on early enough to see how it plays out during the Maimi game.
 
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I think we were "debating" whether or not he "needs" to put the extra weight on to be an effective WR. If he were able to put 10-15 pounds on without losing any speed or moves, then fine. The key here is not losing any speed at all. His biggest weapon is his pure high-speed...if putting on weight slows him down even 1 tenth of a second, then that extra weight is completely counterproductive.
 
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I think this is a calculated move. Im sure our qualified coaches and the person himself (Ginn) knows how the weight will affect him more than we do. Im sure this wasnt sum shot in the dark to take a chance on. If the trainers, Tressel, and the rest of our great crew, including Ginn believe that an extra 10-15 will help rather than hurt, than we should be faithful and rest assure they know alot more than we do as fans. DB's, LB's, and Safties will be gunning for him this year and if 10lbs of muscle (not fat) help him get thru this first 5 yards alot easier to make plays other than ones from line of scrimmage (Reverses, 5-10yard dumps, PR's), than I am all for it, even if it sacrifices a couple tenths off of a 4.3 speed.
 
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BuckeyePride85 said:
...DB's, LB's, and Safties will be gunning for him this year and if 10lbs of muscle (not fat) help him get thru this first 5 yards alot easier to make plays other than ones from line of scrimmage (Reverses, 5-10yard dumps, PR's), than I am all for it, even if it sacrifices a couple tenths off of a 4.3 speed.

They were gunning for him for the last half of the season. He got hit hard twice all season. That extra 10 pounds of muscle won't help him all that much...it's avoiding the hits like he does which keeps him healthy. And again, slowing him down makes him just another fast receiver. It's that extra tenth or two of a second of speed that makes him Teddy Ginn. If he goes from a 4.22 WR to a 4.4 WR, then he's in the rest of the 4.4 WR bunch in the country. There's quite a few 4.4 WRs, but only one 4.22 WR.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
That extra 10 pounds of muscle won't help him all that much...it's avoiding the hits like he does which keeps him healthy. And again, slowing him down makes him just another fast receiver. It's that extra tenth or two of a second of speed that makes him Teddy Ginn. If he goes from a 4.22 WR to a 4.4 WR, then he's in the rest of the 4.4 WR bunch in the country. There's quite a few 4.4 WRs, but only one 4.22 WR.
Ginn can put on weight without compromising his speed, he just probably won't be able to put it on all that quickly. What I mean is, the type of workout regimen that packs on lbs. the quickest (high weight, low rate, lift to exhaustion) will hurt his speed, and that would be stupid. If he stays on a speed-geared workout, he probably will gain some mass, but relatively slowly. And I agree with MB that Ginn doesn't want to bulk up at the expense of his explosive speed.

MB, aren't you one of the guys that I've seen on here ridiculing, quite correctly, exaggerated manual 40-times? There are actually very few legitimate 4.4 40-guys out there, but TG's probably one of them. I think the fastest official (with partial automatic timing) NFL 40 time ever was 4.29 (from "Primetime"). Any guy who runs a legitimate 4.4 forty is a blur, and most guys who are listed there probably are actually at 4.6 with NFL-style electronic timing, and 4.8 with track & field-style timing.

For that matter, is it actually true that someone listed TG with a 4.22 manual time? Anyone remember when FSU reported something like a 4.19 for LaVernious Coles (not sure of LV's spelling)? At the combine, with PAT, he ran something like a 4.39, which truly is super fast. 4.19 is not super fast, it's fictional.
 
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zincfinger said:
... MB, aren't you one of the guys that I've seen on here ridiculing, quite correctly, exaggerated manual 40-times? There are actually very few legitimate 4.4 40-guys out there, but TG's probably one of them.... For that matter, is it actually true that someone listed TG with a 4.22 manual time?

I use the 4.22 time reported out of OSU camp recently (along with a 4.28(?) time for Gonzo). Now, is it really a 4.22? Naw. But, it relation to the other hand-timed 4.4 times for other WRs, it's still in a class by itself. Add .2 to .3 second to everyone's time to make them "legit", Ginn is still nearly .2 seconds faster than other teams' fastest WRs. Once everyone goes to electronic times, then I'll use those times, but seeing as everyone else uses those inflated hand-times, so will I. Bottom line, whichever times you use, Ginn's top-end speed is of another solar system completely...
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
I use the 4.22 time reported out of OSU camp recently (along with a 4.28(?) time for Gonzo). Now, is it really a 4.22? Naw. But, it relation to the other hand-timed 4.4 times for other WRs, it's still in a class by itself. Add .2 to .3 second to everyone's time to make them "legit", Ginn is still nearly .2 seconds faster than other teams' fastest WRs. Once everyone goes to electronic times, then I'll use those times, but seeing as everyone else uses those inflated hand-times, so will I. Bottom line, whichever times you use, Ginn's top-end speed is of another solar system completely...
Agreed on the last part, although there are probably a couple guys out there in the vicinity. As far as comparing people's times, you're right, all you can do is compare the hand-held times. It's tough, though, because probably not all coaches are trimming their guys "times" equally. They used to do fully automatic times at the Army A.A. game. Ginn's was 4.79 in '03 (just to get an idea of the magnitude of the difference), and that was the fastest F.A.T. recorded!

Just another example on the difficulty of comparing hand-held times: Ginn's listed time on Rivals coming out of H.S. was 4.4 (which was probably pretty close to accurate). Maurice Clarett's was 4.5. It's not my point to dump on Clarett, because I do think the guy's a tremendously talented athlete, but anyone who thinks Clarett was ever within a tenth of a second of Ginn is in serious need of counseling.
 
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He tied an NCAA career record for punt-return touchdowns with four.

Ah, reporters. Since he's saying NCAA (not tOSU or Big 10) record, he should have said the NCAA single-season record of 4, which Teddy tied in the scUM game. The record was then broken by Chad Owens, who got his 5th for the 2004 season in Hawaii's bowl game.
 
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electronic times?

I have this question on hand-timed and electronic timing. I know that this topic has been discussed quite often and everyone agreed 4.4 is blazing fast for an electronic time and Deion ran a 4.29 in NFL combine. Now is the time of 4.33 or 4.37 by Ronnie brown, electronically timed or is that again just an average of hand timed 40yd dashes by the scouts in the NFL combine?
If that's electronically timed, didn't Jenkins also run a 4.4 in the combine last year?

And again what about those sub 4.4 times run by kids in the Miamim NIKE camp last week? Those were SPARQ timed or some kind of laser timed and supposedly accurate compared to the hand-held times. Now HH posted around 5 sub 4.4 times run by high school kids in a different post.

Can somebody please clarify?
 
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biobuck said:
I have this question on hand-timed and electronic timing. I know that this topic has been discussed quite often and everyone agreed 4.4 is blazing fast for an electronic time and Deion ran a 4.29 in NFL combine. Now is the time of 4.33 or 4.37 by Ronnie brown, electronically timed or is that again just an average of hand timed 40yd dashes by the scouts in the NFL combine?
If that's electronically timed, didn't Jenkins also run a 4.4 in the combine last year?

And again what about those sub 4.4 times run by kids in the Miamim NIKE camp last week? Those were SPARQ timed or some kind of laser timed and supposedly accurate compared to the hand-held times. Now HH posted around 5 sub 4.4 times run by high school kids in a different post.

Can somebody please clarify?
copied this from a Denver Broncos forum:

"It's a guy with a stopwatch that has no experience doing this before."

Those were the words of NFL public-relations official Seth Palansky as he informed the media of the availability of some official numbers that ran contrary to the unofficial ones broadcast on the NFL Network's Combine show earlier in the afternoon.

The timer "with no experience" on the live, nationally televised broadcast clocked Auburn's Ronnie Brown with 40-yard dash times of 4.32 and 4.40 seconds. Conversely, the official numbers from National Scouting Combine officials had Brown's fastest time at 4.48 seconds, which was only second-fastest among those running backs who happened to go through their workouts Saturday.


Deion's time is the fastest ever official time, which I believe is strictly electronically measured. I don't know anything about Miami's camp, or any other H.S. kids times specifically, but I would generally assume that high schoolers times are hand-held. Whatever high schooler ran legit sub-4.4 are pretty remarkable and precocious, because they're faster than just about everyone in the NFL.
 
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hh posted on an another thread in BN on how the SPARQ time works inthe Nike camp..A guy hits the stop watch at the start line..but the time for measuring the finish line is measured by a LASER and then they confirm the time. Since the person hitting the stop watch at the start line is like only 2ft away from the athlete, HH says that it's pretty hard to mess up.

I was kind of under the impression that the timing in the NFL combines is done electronically..but now that doesn't seem to be the case..I wonder when it is done electronically..coz it seems to me like all the NFL combine timing was a consensus among several hand-timed times from different scouts and observers..
 
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Apparently the NFL uses hand-held timers for unofficial times (why have unofficial time, I don't know), but I think that all official times are from what's called partial-automatic-timing. In this one, they have a laser at the finish line like you were saying, and there's a pressure-sensitive pad in the ground that the runner rests his fingertips on at the start. When the runner lifts his fingertips off of that pad, that triggers the timer to start.

Even standing two feet away, I would think it's fairly common for the timer/starter in the SPARQ setup to get his thumb down on the buttom a few hundredths of a second after the runner starts to go - a hundredth of a second ain't long.

Just as a semi-interesting side point, real track times are under fully-automatic-timing. This is with the gun start (also a laser finish). Typically a couple tenths of a second longer, due to the lag time between the gun going off and the runners reacting to it. I think I posted earlier on this thread that Ginn had a 4.79 in F.A.T. at the Army A.A. game in '03. Sounds like a slow linebacker or a decent DE given the times we're used to hearing, right? Well it was the fastest FAT recorded there.
 
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